Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: What's wrong with Shredder?

Author: Stefan Meyer-Kahlen

Date: 01:48:53 02/19/99

Go up one level in this thread


On February 18, 1999 at 13:41:53, Peter Kasinski wrote:

>On February 18, 1999 at 13:14:54, Steve Coladonato wrote:
>
>>Has anyone used Shredder 3 yet and if so how does it compare to Shredder 2?
>>Also, will it analyze a full game as Fritz5.32 does or even Crafty-16_5?
>
>1. Interface is the same.
>2. There are some new features, I think the learning capabilities (including:
>"keep hash tables", "keep evaluation tables", position, book, result learning)
>are new.

If you consider "some" to be equal to "more than 50" you are right.

>3. Selectivity (default is still 12) can now be set to 14, 16, max (?)

This has been in Shredder since version 1.0.

>4. There is a coach function - not sure how good it is though
>5. Yes, it will analyze a full game
>
>I can add that I've always been impressed with Shredder's style of play, and in
>my opinion it may well be the one program that is stronger than its SSDF rating.
>I wasn't surprised when its author was (recently) very quick to state he would
>not shy away from participating in the championships this summer. All in all -
>an underrated program (IMHO).

To be honest I also think that Shredder has a pretty bad reputation for reasons
unknown to me. This has been like this since Jakarta, when everybody claimed
that this was just pure luck and was only possible because there was no other
strong program around. Still today if somebody post a message here and is
numbering the top programs I have never seen anybody mentioning Shredder. Well,
maybe I should really spend more time in here to read ALL the articles :-)

OK, I don't want to complain too much and keep on working to improve Shredder,
so here's my question:

What's wrong with Shredder?

Any input would be nice and really welcome. Does it play weak chess? (Did you
really play games or just run some tests?) Do you want it to solve test
positions or play games? Do you rather have a blitz monster that plays strong at
3min/game on a Pentium 100 or do you rather have something for longer
timecontrols and analysis? Do you hate the GUI? What's missing?

I would really love to get some feedback.

Stefan (author of Shredder)


PS: About computer chess world championships: You can be very sure that Shredder
or any other program of mine will compete in every computer chess world
championships around for the next 10 years at least. OK? No doubt about that!
This has always been one of my major interests for various reasons, so please
don't worry about that.




This page took 0.01 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.