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Subject: Re:No Playchess bug!

Author: Vasik Rajlich

Date: 03:41:03 08/01/05

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On July 31, 2005 at 16:09:02, Günther Simon wrote:

>On July 31, 2005 at 11:16:26, Vasik Rajlich wrote:
>
>>On July 31, 2005 at 08:36:00, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On July 31, 2005 at 06:15:01, Günther Simon wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 31, 2005 at 00:49:33, Madhavan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 30, 2005 at 12:33:06, Günther Simon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 30, 2005 at 11:47:18, Madhavan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On July 30, 2005 at 10:00:02, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On July 30, 2005 at 07:07:48, Günther Simon wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On July 29, 2005 at 20:01:32, Pablo Ignacio Restrepo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Some words to the great Alejandro Mendez from playchess. !!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Alejandro Mendez(son-of-father), from Argentina, have won to Zappa 2.0b. in a
>>>>>>>>>>10+10 time control game.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Son-Of-Father, a human being, have had until 2737 elo into engines room
>>>>>>>>>>fromplaychess playing and beating many engines 100% as a human being.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Now the tourn for a k.o. have been to Zappa.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>This is worse than yellow press.
>>>>>>>>>The game was played by a beta tester of Zappa (not by Anthony, not by Arturo)
>>>>>>>>>and it was played at the crappy Playchess server with a buggy GUI (the only
>>>>>>>>>one allowed there). The buggy GUI cannot play on after move 256.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I am not sure if the chessbase interface cannot play on or if it sends the
>>>>>>>>engine wrong information that cause it to lose on time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I tested Movei under the chessbase interface not in playchess and one of the
>>>>>>>>problem is that after move 256 the interface send fen and not a move.
>>>>>>>>It also seems to me that the chessbase interface does not send correct time to
>>>>>>>>the engine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and in 10+10 assumes that the time remaining is always 610 seconds regardless to
>>>>>>>>the time on the clock.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>programs probably can play if they do not believe the time that the interface
>>>>>>>>tell them but they should also know to ignore the position that they
>>>>>>>>get(otherwise they can do repetition in a better position for no reason).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I checked out the playchess site,once you offer a draw,you can't claim to offer
>>>>>>>more draws unless 5 moves are made after the 1st claim,the bug has been fixed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Uri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Even if you can now only offer silly draws after 5 moves it is an incredible
>>>>>>bug, that the _opponent_ needs to close that silly draw offers on _his_ time.
>>>>>
>>>>>sir,Its not like a player cannot have chance to offer draw.5 moves is reasonable
>>>>>when you play in tournament[physical presence]I bet you can bug your winning
>>>>>opponent with more draws in less than 1 move!how can your opponent ignore you?
>>>>
>>>>This is forbidden, you should know?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>ignoring a draw is just a matter of pressing spacebar,you have to click the draw
>>>>>on the corner which takes more time for you to do just that than your winning
>>>>>opponent pressing space bar.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Most people play blitz or even bullet there,(you e.g. play only bullet I see...)
>>>>>
>>>>>What's your playchess user Id?
>>>>>have you spectated any of my games?
>>>>>
>>>>>>so 5 moves are just nothing and you are able to annoy your winning opponent
>>>>>>again.
>>>>>
>>>>>see above.5 moves are reasonable,winning player should have oppurtinity to offer
>>>>>draw to ahis opponent if he had lless time left in his clock.otherwise the
>>>>>winning player would lose on time inspite of positinal and material advantage.
>>>>
>>>>You seem not to understand? It is about declining draw offers!
>>>>There is no reason that a winning player has to lose time on random actions
>>>>to a sour loser, anyone will get this.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sometimes I think such GUIs are only made by non chess players...
>>>>>
>>>>>Chess Grandmasters designed Chessbase GUI,its very nice and better than any
>>>>>other online server GUI's,better than Arena[not a 3d,no even a 2d]I might add.
>>>>
>>>>Nonsense and nonsense, Arena is no chess server.
>>>>ICC is much better than PlayChess and also ChessAssistant chess server is
>>>>better, PlayChess as usual doesn't care for fixing bugs like M$.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>What about the abort offers BTW?
>>>>>
>>>>>thats nonsense,winning player should have oppurtinity to accept the draw offer
>>>>>when he has enough time left in his clock
>>>>
>>>>No idea what you are talking about? See above. Moreover why do you talk no
>>>>agian about offreing draws?? You ansered a sentence now about 'aborting'!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Such a feature only leads to permanent cheating attempts.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheating?you couldnt cheat on chessbase server
>>>>
>>>>Haha, you seem already brainwashed by Playchess propaganda. You have
>>>>never seen that around 1 player about every 5 minutes is caught cheating?
>>>>And this is only the tip of the iceberg, most will never be caught...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>(There are lots of cheaters anyway, if one searches through the lists,
>>>>>>one can find people with ridiculous national ratings having > 2300 in
>>>>>>bullet and blitz)
>>>>>
>>>>>I would like to let you know that Playchess rating is not measured as per FIDe
>>>>>rating,Playchess rating evaluates very low for a good FIDE rated player,there
>>>>>are many players having 2200 FIDe rating but less playchess rating[about 1700]
>>>>>If the player is rated 2000 in playchess server,he might be around 2400 FIDE
>>>>>elo.and in other case,my internet connection is very slow,damn slow!and I was
>>>>>playing bullet games.
>>>>
>>>>It's exactly different Playchess ratings are much too high regarding
>>>>FIDE ratings, thats true for all chess servers except FICS.
>>>
>>>It is correct only if you look at the rating of the best players.
>>>if you look at blitz rating of players with fide rating near 2000 then it is not
>>>always the case and in significant part of the cases players have better fide
>>>rating relative to blitz rating.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Server ratings are pretty strange. I have several friends who are in normal
>>blitz about my level, whose ICC ratings are 300 points above mine.
>>
>>I also doubt it's just because of cheating. You should be able to get at least a
>>3000 rating if you cheat and have a working brain. Besides, some of these people
>>have played 2000+ games. I'd think it would get a bit boring after a while.
>>
>>Vas
>
>Vas, not all cheaters are that stupid to come up with a 3000 rating,
>when they know they will get away with 2500, without any action from
>the mods there.
>
>Guenther

Guenther,

no doubt this sometimes happens, but there is some other reason for the
strangeness of the ICC ratings.

I'd say half the people or so have an ICC rating in the range [FIDE rating, FIDE
rating + 100]. That's the most normal.

But - if you look for example at the 2600 FIDE GMs who have 3100+ ratings - they
are not cheating when they're playing dozens of games with no money at stake.
Same with the 2400 IMs with 2800+ ratings.

I also know one guy who has a 2150 FIDE rating and a 1800-1900 ICC rating. There
is nothing wrong with his blitz playing in real life.

Vas



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