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Subject: Re: Chess960 mirror positions -> Chess480

Author: Volker Annuss

Date: 08:32:28 08/01/05

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On August 01, 2005 at 10:30:29, F. Huber wrote:

>Well, I would say it _is_ identical, if you simply swap the meaning of O-O and
>O-O-O. It´s almost the same as e.g. 1.a4 would be 1.h4 in the ´mirror´ game,
>so it´s only a matter of naming conventions.
>
>What I am really wondering about is, why the restriction "king between rooks"
>has been kept? Without this restriction (and by simply making a little
>modification to the castling moves) there would be much more starting positions.

No, Tord is right. Look at this position:

[D] rnbkqbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBKQBNR w KQkq - 0 1

You can play a game that is a mirror of normal chess until you castle. After
castling king and rook are not at the mirrored positions.

Look at this game

[Event "Mirrored game"]
[Site "here"]
[Date "2005.08.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "VA"]
[Black "VA"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "2350"]
[Time "17:20:54"]
[WhiteElo "2350"]
[TimeControl "1500+5"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbkqbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBKQBNR w KQkq - 0 1 "]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "7"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "human"]

1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bg5 Nc6 4.O-O-O  *

You reach this position:

[D] r1bkqb1r/ppp1pppp/2n2n2/3p2B1/3P4/2N5/PPP1PPPP/2KRQBNR b kq - 5 4

The mirrored game is impossible in standard chess.


This was easy to show. Incompatibilities in Shredder-FEN are not that easy. So
the only way to make people see them is to wait until problems arise...

I am optimistic concerning the future of Chess960, but the way will be
unnecessary (?) complicated.

Greetings,
Volker



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