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Subject: Re: Could someone explain this to me???

Author: Ricardo Gibert

Date: 20:30:47 08/14/05

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On August 14, 2005 at 21:44:13, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On August 14, 2005 at 21:37:39, Stephen A. Boak wrote:
>
>>On August 14, 2005 at 21:24:57, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On August 14, 2005 at 21:02:33, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 14, 2005 at 17:51:50, Theo van der Storm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  # Name                   1    2   P    BU   SB     G
>>>>>  1 Fruit                 6b1 10w1  2.0   1.5  1.50  2
>>>>>  2 Zappa                 5w1  9b1  2.0   1.5  1.50  2
>>>>>  3 Crafty                4b=  7b1  1.5   2.5  1.75  2
>>>>>  4 Shredder              3w=  8b1  1.5   2.5  1.75  2
>>>>>  5 The Crazy Bishop      2b0 12w1  1.0   2.0  0.00  2
>>>>>  6 Jonny                 1w0 11b1  1.0   2.0  0.00  2
>>>>>  7 Deep Junior          11b1  3w0  1.0   1.5  0.00  2
>>>>>  8 Diep                 12b1  4w0  1.0   1.5  0.00  2
>>>>>  9 Deep Sjeng           10b=  2w0  0.5   2.5  0.25  2
>>>>> 10 The Baron             9w=  1b0  0.5   2.5  0.25  2
>>>>> 11 Fute_MT               7w0  6w0  0.0   2.0  0.00  2
>>>>> 12 IsiChess MMX          8w0  5b0  0.0   2.0  0.00  2
>>>>>
>>>>> # Name                 1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12    P    BU   SB
>>>>> 1 Fruit                X  .  .  .  .  1  .  .  .  1  .  .   2.0   1.5  1.50
>>>>> 2 Zappa                .  X  .  .  1  .  .  .  1  .  .  .   2.0   1.5  1.50
>>>>> 3 Crafty               .  .  X  ½  .  .  1  .  .  .  .  .   1.5   2.5  1.75
>>>>> 4 Shredder             .  .  ½  X  .  .  .  1  .  .  .  .   1.5   2.5  1.75
>>>>> 5 The Crazy Bishop     .  0  .  .  X  .  .  .  .  .  .  1   1.0   2.0  0.00
>>>>> 6 Jonny                0  .  .  .  .  X  .  .  .  .  1  .   1.0   2.0  0.00
>>>>> 7 Deep Junior          .  .  0  .  .  .  X  .  .  .  1  .   1.0   1.5  0.00
>>>>> 8 Diep                 .  .  .  0  .  .  .  X  .  .  .  1   1.0   1.5  0.00
>>>>> 9 Deep Sjeng           .  0  .  .  .  .  .  .  X  ½  .  .   0.5   2.5  0.25
>>>>>10 The Baron            0  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  ½  X  .  .   0.5   2.5  0.25
>>>>>11 Fute_MT              .  .  .  .  .  0  0  .  .  .  X  .   0.0   2.0  0.00
>>>>>12 IsiChess MMX         .  .  .  .  0  .  .  0  .  .  .  X   0.0   2.0  0.00
>>>>>
>>>>>Fute_MT = Futé Multi-Threading by Jean-Louis Boussin.
>>>>>
>>>>>Theo
>>>>>
>>>>>PS: For more results and background information do not go to:
>>>>>http://www.cs.unimaas.nl/icga/news/wccc/2005/results.php
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Did you use Swiss Perfect to generate this? or PGNExtract?
>>>>
>>>>Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>I did not realize that Crafty had had two blacks in a row.  How in the hell is
>>>that possible after only two rounds have been played?  Is someone on drugs over
>>>there or what???
>>>
>>>Even worse, why would Crafty have two blacks in a row, against the two top
>>>seeds?
>>>
>>>Seems a bit strange, to say the least.
>>>
>>>The TD apparently needs a brain transplant...
>>
>>Is it a Round Robin (read that somewhere), since 12 programs & 11 rounds?
>>
>>Each program must receive an extra Black or extra White across all rounds.  Not
>>sure if it is guaranteed that colors always alternate perfectly for all
>>entrants.
>>
>>If you don't get at least 5 Whites in the last 9 rounds, there could be a
>>definite problem.  :)
>>
>>--Steve
>
>
>actually, according to the official rules it is an 11 round swiss, which just
>happens to turn into an 11 round round-robin since there are just 12 players.
>No reason to (a) not alternate colors and (b) get two blacks against #1/#2 seeds
>in the first two rounds.  That's just broken, period...

That can happen in a round robin, but the rules clearly state that it's supposed
to be a swiss as you point out.

One thing I do know if things are screwed up is that it can happen that the
final pairings become impossible to make, which is why round robins cannot be
conducted in an ad hoc way. IIRC, this can happen with as few as 6 players.

Come to think of it, this possibility forces the TD to abandon swiss pairings in
favor of conducting a round robin. This must be the explanation.




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