Author: Robert Allgeuer
Date: 13:27:03 08/17/05
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On August 17, 2005 at 13:38:13, Thomas Mayer wrote: >Hi Uri, > >> I believe that I also can do fruit stronger but without motivation of earning >> money from it I am not going to try. > >well, I wonder how your motivation could be earning money, I think those days >are definitely over where you really can earn something with chess engines. My >motivation was and is always how far can I get with my OWN code. I do not really >understand what the motivation can be to do that with another code. You know, >someone on playchess did compare Fruit & Toga with Coka Cola & Pepsi... I think >the relation is MUCH nearer, it's more like taking 10l of Coke and put in there >1ml more suggar. It might taste a bit different (for some even better) but it is >still the same... >I agree that it might be still quite easy to improve Fruit by a bit, at least as >long it is such a young program - in the eval there are for sure still a lot >parts where you can find improvements. But as long Fabien works so hard on it I >think this will become more and more complicate. I really hope that in future >tournaments we all must not be aware of so many clones of whatever source. E.g. >when Toga or another Fruit clone would participate at CCT or WCCC or whatever I >would immediately complain at the TD. And if it is not taken out I would refuse >to play at all. Thanks god that at the moment most tournament rules forbid such >clones anyway. But in future we might get even more suspicious about every new >engine of unknown authors which are extremely strong. IMO that is the main >achievement of Toga - that new authors must prove that there program is >original. That's somehow sad. > >Greets, Thomas You cannot suspect any new engine - even when strong - to be a clone. In my view it always has to remain the inverse from what you state: it must be proven that an engine is a clone, not the other way round, unless there is already strong evidence present. Also in real life I do not have to prove that I am not a criminal, unless there is strong evidence against me. Why should any so-called clone - which is legal because it is GPL - not play in a tournament officially, if BOTH/ALL authors support this. It is like a joint venture. Robert
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