Author: Harald Faber
Date: 04:39:43 02/23/99
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On February 23, 1999 at 06:59:37, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >>>>>What's wrong with Shredder? >> >>>>OK, just my 2 cents what misses or does not satisfy: Just to remind you...I don't know how the majority thinks. >I think Shredder3, Genius6 and Hiarcs7 are all worth their money. OK, I accept that. >>>>2) no flexible time per move >>>> I couldn't and can't believe it: there is only a fixed time per move, no >>>> flexible. >>> >> FLEXIBLE means that as well your program as the opponent can take 3min, less >>or more if necessary in a complicated position. And, senseful or not, EVERY >>other program offers that time "control"... > >OK, it is no big deal adding this feature, but I just wanted to avoid the >following situation: > >Shredder is playing program X, both set to 3 min/move. If both programs map this >to 40/120 or something similiar, fine, but take a look at those two >possibilities: > >(a) Program X1 allocates 3 min/move before every move, no matter how much time >it has spent before. It doen't have any "easy move" feature (why saving time?) >and usually takes well beyond 3 minutes (just to be "safe"). > >(b) Program X2 plays rather quick, it has a nice feature to play obvious moves >more quickly (although it could be risky sometimes). It also allocates 3 >min/move before every new move in this level. > >On average it is easliy possible that X2 is only using half the time X1 uses. >Fair? I don't think so. This is only a question of how to program this 3min/move. If you think your program does worse with X2 then you can and should change it into X1. >>Serious, as there are other competitors offering MANY (mostly senseful) features >>personally I don't see any major addition of features I need in Shredder3 >>comparing to Shredder2. Is there one single feature that is really smashing and >>no other program has? >>I mean I want to play the program, analyze games/databases and do some testing. >>That is what even Shredder2 could do. > >Well, this is your personal view. Nevertheless here are some points added in >Shredder3 which haven't been in Shredder2. (I didn't want to drift into >advertising, but I don't see any other way to contradict the above.) > >* various learning features, >* seperate board to follow Shredder's main line, >* comments and variations can be added to every move, >* cbf is supported, >* nice feature to analyse 5 men endgames. Just click on one piece to see the >perfect evaluation of the position with that particular piece on every other >square (Shredder comes with 4 CDs containing all 5 men databases with <= 1 pawn) >* much better database searching features, >* better epd support, >* no more size limit for nothing (PGN, user books etc.), >* game analysis feature, Right, I forgot that Shr2 couldn't do this. >* the engine is stronger! (you might not believe this :-) ), >* much more I can't think of now. > >I think you can say a lot about Shredder3, but you can't say it doesn't have >more useful features compared to Shredder2. That was not my point. I put it out again above. >I got the impression the there where many things missing in Shredder2. I fixed >all of this in Shredder3. I really don't understand your above statement. Then read above the 3 lines. And, referring to your feture list, except for the 5-man EG handling there is no unique feature. And I ask myself if it is necessary to mention self-evident features like epd and cbf support. As I said I am spoilt. :-) >>>>BTW is it a bug that I can't load the next/previous game via the button/icon? It >>>>worked well in Shredder2 but now I have to load the games again with CTRL-L >>>>although I don't need to select a database, directly I get the game list. >>> >>>Sorry, I didn't get this. The buttons work fine on my computer. >> >>Hmm. Tried it again. Loaded a database (pgn) chose the 1st game and loaded. Then >>tried F8 but didn't/doesn't work. > >??? It works on my computers. What kind of database is it? Is the second game >broken? No. Now I found out what it is: If I load a game out of a database it works. If I replace the game then afterwards F8/F7 don't work any longer. >>>>And, finally, I hope it didn't disturb you too much to lose against P.ConNers >>>>while I said in the middlegame that black had the better position. Maybe I was >>>>wrong. :-) Or Shredder patzte. ;-) >>> >>>Oh, you've been to Paderborn. Maybe everybody should wear name tags next time >>>:-) >>>Stefan >> >>I was "der große Blonde mit dem schwarzen Schuh". ;-) >>(Hmm, I am not sure if I wore black shoes...) but as there were not so many >>Kiebitzers maybe you remember. If not, maybe you recognize me again in June. ;-) > >No, I don't remember. If Shredder is losing I generally do not pay attention to >comments from the spectators. It is hard enough to lose, I don't want to hear >how stupid my program played :-) >Stefan Hey, I was the only one believing that Shredder had better position after the quality sac. I guess it was the only chance for counterplay, otherwise Shredder would have been smashed easier. And you didn't look full of sorrow but more than a sportsman. However next time I'll come to you and say who I am. :-) Uli certainly also doesn't know who I am although he looked forward meeting me in Paderborn. Usually I don't go around telling everybody who I am because I am no important guy to do so or needs to do so. :-) Maybe Uli now knows me as I kiebitzt his Comet too, although my appearance may be a bad sign for you because his comet also fell against a nice attacking Ikarus. :-) What do you pay me for staying off Paderborn in June? :-)
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