Author: Arturo Ochoa
Date: 05:30:55 08/20/05
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On August 20, 2005 at 06:56:18, Uri Blass wrote: >On August 20, 2005 at 06:17:37, Arturo Ochoa wrote: > >>On August 19, 2005 at 21:53:12, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On August 19, 2005 at 20:49:56, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>> >>>>On August 19, 2005 at 20:36:45, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 19, 2005 at 19:50:08, Richard Pijl wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 19, 2005 at 15:43:01, Thomas Lagershausen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On August 19, 2005 at 15:26:55, A. Cozzie wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Here I screwed my book creator, because the horrible, horrible Fritz interface >>>>>>>>resets the book options every time you touch the mouse, and played with >>>>>>>>incorrect options. But somehow Zappa managed to slip into the win anyway; >>>>>>>>perhaps it was a bit lucky. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>anthony >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Never play with the cb-gui. It had cost a lot of programs points in the history >>>>>>>of wccc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I hope Zappa 2.0 is still uci and can be used in Arena. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>TL >>>>>> >>>>>>Zappa's book requires the CB-GUI >>>>>>Richard. >>>>> >>>>>I think that it is unfair to use books that require the CB-GUI >>>>>If I understand correctly it means that the GUI choose the book moves and not >>>>>the engine so the author is using something external program to help him to >>>>>select moves. >>>>> >>>>>I think that the engine needs to choose all the moves(otherwise the playing >>>>>thing is not original work of the author and the authors of the chessbase gui >>>>>should be mentioned as part of the team). >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>Uri Blass, the king of the absurd arguments. >>>> >>>>1) For CCT7 and the Elhvest Match, I used the native format for Zappa. >>>> >>>>2) For WCCC2005, there are several engines that has been using the ChessBase >>>>GUI. However, it doesn't mean that the Book was made by ChessBase. The Book >>>>Responsible for Zappa in the WCCC2005 has been Erdogan whose book is in the >>>>ChessBase format. It is his original work performed by several years. >>>> >>>>The engine is a complete original work of Anthony Cozzie. >>>> >>>>If you are going to begin your post-WCCC2005 nonsense before the Tournament is >>>>over, I suggest you find other hobby according to your absurd world, instead of >>>>writing craps every day of the year. >>> >>>1)I did not say that chessbase made the book. >>>2)I understood before making the previous post that the book is original and the >>>part that choose the moves is not original. >>>3)I know that 2 is the case not only for zappa but also for part of the other >>>engines(at least in the past) and I know that at least Jonny and falcon used the >>>chessbase interface in the previous WCCC. >>>4)I did not know before reading your post that the fact that zappa used the >>>chessbase interface is because Erdogan's book is in the chessBase format. >> >>Zappa has never known to use CB Books. Erdogan help joined 3 weeks ago or so. >> >>You will never learn the lesson to ask first and then to draw conclusions. > >This comment is a personal attack against me but I decided not to complain. >Note that I did not make a personal attack in my first post and only wrote: >"I think that it is unfair to use books that require the CB-GUI" > >I attacked a situation and not a person and I talked about something that >happened and not about the future(I try to understand why you get so angry about >it and maybe you understood that what I say is equivalent to claiming that the >author of zappa cheated by doing it and of course not me and nobody else meant >to claim it). > >Unfair does not mean illegal by the rules but against justice and the problem is >not only with zappa of this tournament(In my original post I did not mention >that the problem is not only with zappa and I did not mention that it is not >something personal against the author and I did not explain that the problem is >not that the book is not original and maybe it was a mistake). > >Maybe my choice of words was not the best and it was better to write: >"I think that it is better that in the future, books that require the CB-GUI >will not be allowed or be allowed only for one engine of chessbase". > > >Note that I never used the chessbase gui in previous WCCC because I felt that it >is unfair if the interface does decisions for the engine like claiming a draw >and I noticed that it even has bugs in claiming draw and can claim a draw by >repetition inspite of the fact that in the first case enpassent capture is >legal. > >I know that some engines used the chessbase gui also in the WCCC in Israel and I >think that it also was not correct to allow it. >> >>There was no option there. > >This is not correct. >There was an option not to use the chessbase interface and not to use Erdogan's >book. > No, you dont read and you mess up. Simply, there was _no_ option, since I retired for personal reasons. The unique option was Erdogan. >> >>By the way, Zappa is winning the Tournament. > >The fact that Zappa is winning the tournament is not a surprise and I guessed it >before the tournament. This is not a fact yet. It is happening until now. Tomorrow it will be knwon the new Champion. Uri Blass doesnt have any solution.
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