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Subject: Re: midlifecrisis

Author: Thorsten Czub

Date: 03:38:34 08/22/05

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On August 22, 2005 at 06:24:44, Majd Al-Ansari wrote:

>To me it sounded like a even headed gracious report ... no midlife crisis here.

aha.
for me it sounded different.


>I still think that Shredder will kick any programs butt in a tournament with
>many games.

we will find out about this later.

They are close.


> I am looking forward to trying out the new Zappa in a long
>tournament with normal even books.  I am still not convinced it is the strongest
>engine, even though I thought it played great.  But it really was never in any
>trouble out of the openings and was extremely well prepared.  I don't want to
>belittle Zappa's achievement at all, I think they were great.  But a WCCC title
>doesn't automatically mean you have the strongest engine.

of course.
but i am happy that zappa and fruit and toga and glaurung and spike and and and
appear.

they bring new wind into this crusted business.


>I believe one of the main reasons Junior and Shredder's performance seemed
>sub-par was because if you go to the engine room on Playchess, almost every
>engine is playing one of these two.  So it is easy to play thousands of
>automatic games and see which lines these 2 programs play poorly and cook books
>against them.  Now Zappa is the new champ and people will probe for its
>weaknesses once the program is available for public download.


right.

>By far the most impressive program in my opinion was Fruit.  It is using a
>revolutionary type of evaluation that in many ways seems kamakazee.

Can you give an example ?!


> Yet it
>still manages to prove that its evaluation was correct.  I think it will be the
>most difficult engine for other engines to deal with because most engines are
>not even considering moves that it chooses.


why is the program different concerning evaluation. give an example.



> This is why it can get away with
>dramatically inferior hardware and no EGTB and books off the shelf that are not
>tuned to its weird evaluations and still almost win the WCCC.  A Fruit with EGTB
>and multiprocessor support with a Playchess engine room tested book will be a
>formidable opponent.

i had fruit in a longer tournament with s9 and j9 etc.

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