Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 01:38:50 08/23/05
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On August 22, 2005 at 18:19:49, Marc Lacrosse wrote: >Dear Ed, > >As you certainly understood in my last post : > >- I did not intend in any way to lower zappa's victory : i still think my former >posts (the older ones, before any polemics, long before the end of wcc) were >very clear : long before the tournament was finished (and after we had been >cruely beaten by zappa in one of the very first rounds) I truly thought and >publicly said zappa's play was outstanding. > >- The only point on which I wished to react to your initial post - and my poor >english was probably not correct - is on a precise point : your entire post was >globally praising (after years of commercial progs domination) the advent of new >amateur top-level programs able to contest the former hierarchy. Both in the >title and in the core of your post you only cited Zappa. OK zappa was a clear >winner. But I just wished to stress that in my opinion I felt that the >"amateur", opensource, totally accessible (and thus radically different from the >former commercial domination) aspects of the new situation were intrinsically >more patent in the case of fruit than in the one of zappa even though zappa had >clearly won their first public competitive appearance. > >- you now say "Fruit is a sensation". >You are right in that for sure it did not yet pass the test of time. >But I would say "Zappa is even more a sensation" >After good competitive results ten months ago, the public version of zappa (1.0) >was a big disappointment for all (and was in not a single test able to enter the >top ten). >Now we have a completely secret MP version of zappa without any evidence that a >public one will be offered for testing. >At the opposite Fruit 2.1 published two months ago has been tested in thousands >of both slow and blitz games with outstanding achievements (equal second with >Fritz slightly above Junior a few dozens elo points behind shredder). >I can tell you FruitX (the one which competed in Iceland) will soon be published >with full code and optimized parameters. >In our private tests it is the best program in the world on ordinary PC with >neutral hardware (not far ahead of shredder or toga). >Are you sure that an eventual zappa 2.0a on monoprocessor will have the same >results on fairly equal hardware, the kind of hardware anybody could have at >home ? >Are you even sure that you will have any opportunity to test zappa's intrinsical >strength? >In any case we will be glad to have such a large-scale comparison performed >with _any_ chess software. > > >- Finally I completely agree with you : > >"Bottom line: CC is still exciting, lots of progress is looming, a new and >challenging era has started, Fabien and Anthony having given the starting shot." > >I could not say it better, Ed > >With truly friendly regards > >Marc Alright Marc, thx for explanations. Next time don't jump into conclusions so early. Best to you, Fabien and FruitX, Ed
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