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Subject: Re: Clones and moral behavior

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 14:55:27 08/24/05

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On August 24, 2005 at 17:21:51, Peter Kappler wrote:

>I don't see any aggression or hatred in his response. I made them ecause Tord is a longtime student at a university and he should know how to read. My number 14 was all too clearly an example and NOT a specific number with a particular meaning.

Please let me make my own conclusions. I made them because Tord is a longtime
student at a university and he should know how to read. My number 14 was all too
clearly an example and NOT a specific number with a particular meaning. Also I
am as old as his father and he should show a minimum of respect.



>
>Tord has posted many original ideas in this forum and others.  Just search the
>CCC archives and you will find plenty of examples.

I remember it from the late nineties. But I wasn't asking for his internet ideas
but his ideas in his programs. With no answer.


>
>He's well on his way.  3 ELO behind Chess Tiger 15 in this rating list.
>http://www.cegt.de/rangliste/cegtall.html
>
>But you probably consider every program on this list a clone, so I imagine you
>will not be impressed.


No, but I must contradict your conclusion. That he's 3 points behind Tiger15.
Please read the nice articles by Heinz van Kempen who made clear how many games
should be played before anything could be said. GLAURUNG has much too little
games to be seriously compared with Tiger15. It's 50 games vs 2000. Makes no
sense. But I see that you are really interested in such tests and therefore
please try to find answers to my questions. One of them is an old one about
RUFFIAN. When this program came out in its first version it was a sensation
because it beat FRITZ etc. What is your idea about why RUFFIAN has declined so
much now when it was almost among the leading best earlier ago? Could you give
me some reasons?

And again to Tord. How, if he's successfully implementing all the older stuff,
could it be that after an almost job of 10 years Tord isn't succeeding in making
a top notch program? What could be the reasons? If others like LIST or Jonny
need much less time to develop. The same among the commercial programs we have
the case of DIEP which is also always a long distance away from the top although
VD is a strong chessplayer. What are the reasons for such results?

Thanks in advance.



>
>-Peter



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