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Subject: Re: Fritz 9 engine

Author: Torstein Hall

Date: 02:01:48 08/26/05

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On August 26, 2005 at 04:53:58, Joachim Rang wrote:

>On August 26, 2005 at 04:44:33, Shaley wrote:
>
>>On August 26, 2005 at 04:22:01, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>
>>>From CSS Online:
>>>
>>>"Neue wissensbasierte und extrem spielstarke Schach-Engine: Fritz9". Hmm does
>>>this mean: loses to Fruit, but it's strong against humans?!
>>>
>>>Jouni
>>Hi Jouni,
>>
>>Looks like a lot of people over here are crazy about Fruit even w/o trying it
>>over other engines. Lol! Someone used to post, it seems, that an 11 games'
>>tourney cannot be a proof of the programme's strengths or weaknesses. Long-term
>>testing should be done. No-one really knows how strong the new Fritz version
>>really is. As is said, "let's wait and see", right? Friedel used to tell me the
>>new engine is simply packed with chess knowledge. It is only some while after
>>when we get a chance of feeling it that we can see what he can do in reality
>>with Fruit, Zappa and other silicon monsters. I remember Frans Morsch said in an
>>interview that from now on they would be working to make this engine play sound
>>chess; not good chess from the point of view of beating machines or sound chess
>>for beating humans. They will try to make Fritz play universally sound chess; it
>>may compete very successfully against the machines as a result, he said. But
>>their ambition is to make an engine that will play very good chess in general
>>terms.
>>Cheers,
>>Alexander
>
>
>than they should have not started to implement imperfect human knowledge about
>chess into the engine. As a result they get an engine which plays for weak
>humans sound chess but not from an objective point of view.
>
>regards Joachim

Do you find Hiarcs 9 and Shredder as weak engines? Even if Shredder finished 3
in the last competition it may still be the best. And as far as I know they got
quite a bit of "imperfect human knowledge" built in.

Torstein




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