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Subject: Re: Mig's article on 2005 WCCC, plus short interview with A. Cozzie

Author: Peter Berger

Date: 15:22:32 09/09/05

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On September 09, 2005 at 17:50:58, Mig Greengard wrote:

>I'm not a ChessBase employee, loyal or otherwise.
>
>ChessBase not being attacked? I guess you are new to these boards. You should
>look through the archives for the comments about ChessBase's lack of coverage of
>the WCCC. Saying I'm defending them or making excuses presupposes there is
>something for them to be ashamed of or worried about.

That's correct I assume, you have a point here, *bows*. It just was a bit
strange to mention at your own site, in an unrelated way.

Of course the lack of ChessBase coverage of WCCC 2005 was funny *and*
"political". Let's face it: they reported on the Icelandic human championship
that took place next door and even had the amazing number of one GMs taking
part, in at least three articles.


>
>I said an 11-round tournament was no more definitive than human chess. But since
>playing dozens and hundreds of games between computers is both practical and
>common, unlike with humans, yes, there is a higher standard for agreeing on
>legitimacy of strength. Or would you be happy if the computer rating list
>required just a dozen games? Running around and shouting the king is dead when
>Shredder and Junior don't win is just as sensible as declaring Arkady Naiditsch
>world champion because he won Dortmund. It was a great result, a deserved win,
>and should be praised and enjoyed for what it is. It's also symbolic to a
>certain degree, mostly because Fruit is open source. Strong new engines have
>almost always been amateur.

In *my* personal ( definitely completely irrelevant) opinion, the numerous
basement events have little predictive power when it is about WCCCs.

This is how the worldchampion put it, nicely I might add:

"Lastly, my personal opinion is: ultimately only tournaments count.  At a
tournament you show up with your best.  Your special settings.  Your best
tournament lines.  Your best hardware.  You work extra hard to improve the
engine for a month prior.  This is why winning vs Shredder at the World Champs
counts more to me than beating it on some random guys computer 1000 times."



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