Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 00:33:09 09/10/05
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On September 09, 2005 at 20:54:49, Mig Greengard wrote: >But I also note that even if I were the bastard son of Friedel and >Wullenweber, pointing that out still wouldn't refute my arguments about how >investing time and money in comp-comp chess makes less commercial sense now than >it did in previous years. chessbase makes less money because the products they create are less innovative. reminds me on Volkswagen. always the same models: polo - golf - passat sometimes a fox, sometimes a jetta, but mainly always the same. people want DIFFERENT things. chessbase lose customers. and suddenly people come and claim: we cannot make the money anymore we had in earlier times. of course not. people are bored. >What is most amusing about all these accusations is that they make no sense even >if they are all true. What exactly do you want, a long ChessBase confession that >Zappa and Fruit play as well as Fritz, followed by a declaration of bankruptcy, >wearing of sackcloth and ashes and weeping in the streets of Hamburg? that would be exciting ! Yes. thats what we want :-)) > Again, >what do you want? You are the people with the programs saying Fruit is as strong >as Shredder (or isn't, etc.). So? And? Was it the end of the world for ChessBase >when Shredder became a top engine? Or when Junior did? (Tiger, etc.) Have there >been top engines in the past that didn't join up with ChessBase? Of course. the problem is that chessbase always produces same kind of programs. and that fritz is not anymore succesful. frans morsch was succesful in bringing his program in all kind of dedicated chess computers (dominator, supermondial, gk000, master, atlanta, ...) but for the really top of the world programs the program was not clever enough. this is since fritz is on the market. but fritz had the propaganda machinery in the background. that helped much. now the makers of these propaganda machinery grew old and are in the midlife-crisis, or even worse, they are that old that they stop working. and suddenly chessbase stops competition. > Sure, it seems a little >chicken to declare the race over when you're no longer ahead, but that doesn't >change the fact that the engines are stronger than they will ever need to be for >a commercial program and that it makes perfect sense to stop worrying about how >to beat Shredder when 99% of your customers don't care. the idea of computerchess is not to sell chess programs. the idea of computerchess is to make the chess programs better. we have two kind of people in the computerchess scene, roughly said. the ones interested in progress because of the IDEA behin, and the ones interested in progress because they want to use this for making money. these people sometimes go the same way. but they often go different ways. Now the later people are tired. ok - no problem for me. i will say good bye to them and i am happy that computerchess is far more interesting in the moment then it ever was. WHO is really interested if these old people still making money ?? >Fritz hasn't won >one of those events in quite a while and still outsells Shredder and Junior even >in the identical interface. yes. selling things says nothing about the quality.
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