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Subject: Re: Deeper Gary has just been released

Author: odell hall

Date: 10:12:20 03/03/99

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On March 03, 1999 at 12:40:05, Don Dailey wrote:

>On March 03, 1999 at 09:59:51, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On March 03, 1999 at 04:36:43, Lin Harper wrote:
>>
>>>Kaspy should never have agreed to such a short match. He would surely have
>>>caught up and passed the computer if he had time.
>>
>>I think Kasparov might be one of the best two or three players of all time.
>>But in _that_ match with deep blue, I personally believe that if the match
>>had gone two more games, it would have been two more won games for DB.  Kasparov
>>"lost it" somewhere in the first 3-4 games and never recovered.  And I don't
>>believe he would have recovered unless there had been a month break in the
>>match which would not have happened.
>>
>>The last two games of the match had him looking 'beaten' before he ever made
>>the first move.  I think it would be very difficult for him to 'come back'
>>with additional games, given the way he appeared to feel...
>
>This is pretty speculative but it's certainly not implausible.  I
>personally thought Kasparov was tougher than that but now I'm not
>sure.  Up until the last game I really feel as if he had outplayed
>Deep Blue for the most part, but let the fact that he couldn't quite
>"close" psyche him out and lose confidence.
>
>Having said that, I believe that credit should be given where credit
>is due.  Kasparov's own psychology is one of the variables here and
>is built into his rating and his performance.  So for me to say
>Kasparov "should" have won this match is not really an accurate
>statement, because he didn't.   The fact that Deep Blue DID hold
>on proves it was able to take advantage of a weakness in Kasparov,
>also a variable in the equation.   Whoever faces the computers of
>tomorrow will have to deal with this too if they want to claim
>superiority.
>
>I'm not sure it would have mattered given Kasparov's phychology,
>but at the time I thought is was very foolish of Kasparov to
>play such a short match.   Perhaps he knows nothing about math
>or was more interested in the money,  but if it were me and I
>was in a position to make lot's of demands before I would accept
>a match, I would have insisted on a reasonable number of games,
>unless of course I percieved myself as being the weaker player.
>
>I'm tired of speculating however.  The truth of the matter is
>that Deep Blue won.  The only scientifically valid conclusion
>you can draw from this is that it is slightly more likely that
>Deep Blue is the better match player.   Anything more than this
>is a very fallible judgement call and speculation.
>
>I have also been speculating a lot about how good Deep Blue is
>compared to todays Micro's by comparing Deep Thought's results
>at the last ICCA tournament.   This is a horrible comparison
>however because of at least 3 reasons:
>
> 1. Only 5 games were played by each, that means almost nothing.
>
> 2. Todays micro's are completely different programs.
>
> 3. Deep Blue is a completely different program than the Hong Kong
>    program they called "Deep Blue prototype" which was actually
>    not Deep Blue at all.  More different than even the micro's.
>
>Speculation is a lot of fun but there is frustratingly little data
>to do a good job of it.  I also believe it is also a good thing to
>accept the results we get.  We can alway speculate till we are blue
>in the face but a small amount of "real" information and results in
>a controlled and well documented setting means more to me than
>all the anecdotes and second hand stories (and opinions) in the
>world.
>
>
>- Don


  Very Well Said Don!



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