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Subject: Re: Once again a loss

Author: Randy Lovelace

Date: 20:48:00 03/04/99

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On March 04, 1999 at 18:29:05, blass uri wrote:

>
>On March 04, 1999 at 11:48:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On March 04, 1999 at 11:00:46, Randy Lovelace wrote:
>>
>>>In this position La Dame Blanche played h4!! in only 5 sec
>>>Rebel 10c cant find this move after 10min on my machine
>>>This was a game played by my program RLchess once again a passed
>>>pawn kills me
>>>4bR2/4P3/1np3pk/1p2B3/p3R3/8/2q3PP/7K w - - bm h4!!;id Ldb-RLchess;
>>>Randy Lovelace
>>
>>
>>You must have set the position up wrong.  I ran this on crafty and got
>>the following:
>>
>>                6     0.27   0.46   1. Ref4 Qc1+ 2. Rf1 Qxf1+ 3. Rxf1 Nc4
>>                                    4. Bh8 Nd6 5. Be5 Ne4




>>                6     0.66     ++   1. h4!!
>>                6->   0.70   0.85   1. h4
>>                7     0.98     ++   1. h4!!
>>                7     2.11   3.45   1. h4 Qb1+ 2. Kh2 g5 3. Rxe8 Qxe4 4.
>>                                    Rh8+ Kg6 5. e8=Q+ Kf5 6. Qf7+ Kxe5
>>                                    7. Re8+ Kd4 8. Rxe4+ Kxe4 9. hxg5
>>                7->   2.43   3.45   1. h4 Qb1+ 2. Kh2 g5 3. Rxe8 Qxe4 4.
>>                                    Rh8+ Kg6 5. e8=Q+ Kf5 6. Qf7+ Kxe5
>>                                    7. Re8+ Kd4 8. Rxe4+ Kxe4 9. hxg5
>>                8     3.25     ++   1. h4!!
>>                8     6.18   7.19   1. h4 g5 2. Rxe8 Kg6 3. Rf8 Qd1+ 4.
>>                                    Kh2 Qd7 5. e8=Q+ Qxe8 6. Rxe8
>>                8->   6.87   7.19   1. h4 g5 2. Rxe8 Kg6 3. Rf8 Qd1+ 4.
>>                                    Kh2 Qd7 5. e8=Q+ Qxe8 6. Rxe8
>>                9     8.78   7.19   1. h4 g5 2. Rxe8 Kg6 3. Rf8 Qd1+ 4.
>>                                    Kh2 Qd7 5. e8=Q+ Qxe8 6. Rxe8
>>                  9->  10.34   7.19   1. h4 g5 2. Rxe8 Kg6 3. Rf8 Qd1+ 4.
>>                                    Kh2 Qd7 5. e8=Q+ Qxe8 6. Rxe8
>>               10    16.98   7.14   1. h4 g5 2. Rxe8 Qd1+ 3. Kh2 Qd7 4.
>>                                    Rh8+ Kg6 5. Bg3 gxh4 6. Bxh4 Nc4 7.
>>                                    Rg8+ Kf5 8. e8=Q Qxe8 9. Rgxe8
>>
>>I can't imagine a program like Rebel not finding that.
>
>I can imagine that there is a bug that Rebel10C can never find some simple moves
>in some rare cases because I found similiar problems with other programs.
>
>I know that there are rare cases when Junior5 can never find simple moves(other
>computers have no problem to find and I am not talking about underpromotions).
>
>Fortunately this cases are rare enough so Junior is a good program.
>
>I know from analyzing studies that there is a bug in Genius3(this program can go
>to an infinite loop and lose on time).
>
>I also found that I cannot be sure that the program is correct when it say mate.
>These cases are rare and almost never happen in games.
>
>Uri
this position rebel 8 coundn't find
7r/1Q3p1p/3p1k1b/4p3/3n4/N2q3P/PP3PPR/R5K1 b bm Rb8!

this is a deflection sacrifice

I believe Ed Schroeder is dropping duffer moves in the early iterations
Maybe
He also fails in the famous Sanz rook sacrifice in the endgame
Randy Lovelace



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