Author: Uri Blass
Date: 15:13:06 10/05/05
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On October 05, 2005 at 15:21:29, Ratko V Tomic wrote: >That was a nice interview (a bit short, though). I think Karpov is more right >about CC than lots folks here suspect. In the CC circles there is a conventional >wisdom that the human-computer chess battle is over. The little cloud in this >picture, the existence of few anticomputer players squeezing far more points out >of the machines than the nominal ratings would suggest, is ignored by the CC >pundits. I always though what Karpov expressed indirectly in your interview -- >when eventually the top human players of the right temperament for the task >(Kasparov wasn't that kind) take on computers seriously with the full inner >motivation, there will be a huge swing in the results. Even the weak players >like myself (of only 2100 USC rating during college years) can identify with the >Karpov's description of frequently outplaying the programs positionally and then >losing later on tactical oversight, well after the game had stopped being >interesting to the human player. > >I am still looking for a program that will impress me by its strategy and >positional play (and I have played against Hiarcs programs from rev 6 through 9 >on anything from 133Mhz to 2.5Ghz hardware, as well as against various Rebel's, >the two I found the most interesting in this area). I had also occasions to play >against regular masters and even had an IM as a neighbor and an opponent one >year in college, and I don't see yet any computer program outplaying me so >thoroughly and completely at the strategic level, leaving absolutely no chance >to do anything shortly into the middle game, as these strong human players did. I think that it may be interesting to see the relevant games. If you claim that the masters are better than chess programs then the question is what good moves these masters play against you that programs cannot find. I do not believe that GM's can get the advantage and lose only because of a tactical mistake. See for example the hydra-adams match. Hydra outplayed adams thoroughly and completely at the strategic level I believe that programs of today are not significantly weaker than hydra. Uri
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