Author: Mark Young
Date: 14:05:24 03/16/99
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On March 16, 1999 at 16:07:44, Roland Boehm wrote: >On March 15, 1999 at 17:29:00, Mark Young wrote: > >>Hiarcs 7 has been banned from playing the other programs on the chess server >>Chess4You. I joined this chess server under the name DoomsDayMachine. After only >>11 games and a 11-0 score and a 2900+ rating. I was told by an admin that Hiarcs >>7 is too *strong* to play on the Chess4You server, and that Hiarcs 7's games >>would be resigned to bring Hiarcs 7's ratings back into line to what it should >>be, and Hiarcs 7 could no longer play the other programs.:) >> >>I don't try to understand this logic of the admins at Chess4You, but I can think >>of no higher praise for Hiarcs 7. It is an outstanding program in terms of Chess >>Strength. >> >>Mark Young > >Hi, > >I am errol, the head admin of Chess4You. I would like to give my opinion on the >allegations of Mark Young: > >First of all it is not true that HIARCS 7 or Mr. Young or any other program or >person has ever been banned from playing on Chess4You! Then why did your admin tell me this checkonedo???? > >It is not true that Mr. Young after 11 games had a 11 - 0 score and a 2900+ >rating. It is also not true that HIARCS 7 is too strong to play on Chess4You. Its not....... On >the contrary, we want to have strong and interesting chess programs playing on >Chess4You - the more the better. Then why did Checkonedo resign my game at move 10????? > >I estimate the blitz rating of "HIARCS 7" should be really higher than 2900. >But I think Mr. Young's way it is not the right way to praise its strength. The >blitz rating of DOOMsDayMachine operated by Mr. Mark Young is now 2690! I think everyone should take a look at the games....Did I resign the game at move 10...... Why when I tried to talk with you about this when checkonedo resign my game you would no longer responed. > >But now to the facts: > >DoomsDayMachine played one standard game against Bulldozer and got a standard >rating of 2365. >Then he won 7 games against Bulldozer and got a blitz rating of 2861. Thereafter >he played 7 games against Red Baron and his rating fell to 2812! Then he lost >against Bulldozer and fell to 2745. I had your admin resign a my game at move 10 against Bulldozer. Go take a look... >him. > >During several hours (!) one of our admins was admonishing him that his account >did not indicate a (C) to show he used a computer program. This was not Mr. >Young's fault but mine. I had forgotten to set the (C). If the (C) is set while >a player is logged in, it is not visible before a logout and a new login. >Therefore Mr.Young was asked to log out and to log in again. Mr Young instead >continued playing. This is total B.S. If you want to come on here and lie that is fine with me.... But what is my motive for doing so... It is clear what your motive is, you took a stupid action, and now you are getting bad word of mouth on the net.... When he played against a human player his next game was >forfeited. > >Mr. Young asked me then if he was banned. I told him this was n o t the case. >But instead of answering me, Mr. Young prefered to log out and wrote his "Story >of the DoomsDayMachine". This is B.S. I logged off after your admin checkonedo resigned my game against Bulldozer at move 10... That was the last straw for me. I tried to work it out, and go though channels by talking to your other admins online, when Checkonedo would not respond to my after he took this action. You know your programmer for your server... > >The evidence can be seen by anyone who logs in to Chess4You and has a look at >the "history" of DoomsDayMachine. There all its games, ratings and results are >stored. Well it show that my game was resigned at move 10 by your admin.... > >Furthermore I must confess that I do not understand the "logic" of the rating >too: >I can easily set the rating of a player or chess program, of HIARCS or Bulldozer >as well. But I will only do so if the strength of that player is proven. This >is the case with well known computer programs or grandmasters. Other players >should gain their rating by playing. If Kasparov or HIARCS would play rated >against our beginner's program DisasterArea and won about 10 games they would >get a rating of 1800. I think it is fairer for all players if Kasparov or HIARCS >7 e.g. get an initial rating of about 2900 or 3000+ (hereby solving the "rating >problem" of Bulldozer, if he should have one). But what, if an operator of a >computer program is fond of testing strange openings or loosing stategies"? >I am not a rating specialist and would be very interested to learn your opinion >about this item. > >I send my excuses to Mr. Young for not having set him on the computer list and I >hope in the future we can solve such problems in a more adequate and friendly >way. >We invite him and all players with strong or not so strong but interesting >computer programs to try to beat our programs and to play on Chess4You! No...I will not go back, You want to come on here and say checkonedo and you did not keep me from playing Hiarcs7 online.... Now you invite me back only because you are getting bad word of mouth... The hell with you... You should of thought of that before you resigned my game against Bulldozer at move 10.... That was the last straw for me.... I don't go online and test programs, to have a bunch of admins throw my games and tell me I can not play who I want and resign my games...... There are to many other good Servers on the net to play on. My advice for you is don't piss off the customer base, because the word will get out..... Mark Young > >Best regards > >errol
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