Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 04:43:16 11/05/05
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On November 05, 2005 at 07:30:07, Christopher Conkie wrote:
>On November 05, 2005 at 07:12:21, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>
>>On November 05, 2005 at 06:51:48, Christopher Conkie wrote:
>>
>>>On November 05, 2005 at 02:15:56, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 04, 2005 at 18:26:55, Christopher Conkie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 04, 2005 at 12:43:09, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>[D]r1b1k1nr/ppp2ppp/n7/3pp3/N3q3/PK6/1PPP2PP/R1BQ1BNR b kq - bm Qxa4+ = draw
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Maybe incorrect (Hampe - Meitner 1872)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jouni
>>>>>
>>>>>{C25 Vienna: Hammpe-Meitner}1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Bc5 3.Na4
>>>>>
>>>>>I think you mean this game from 1870 and is a Vienna played in Vienna.
>>>>>
>>>>>1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Bc5 3.Na4 Bxf2+ 4.Kxf2 Qh4+ 5.Ke3 Qf4+ 6.Kd3 d5 7.Kc3 Qxe4 8.Kb3
>>>>>Na6 9.a3 Qxa4+ 10.Kxa4 Nc5+ 11.Kb4 a5+ 12.Kxc5 Ne7 13.Bb5+ Kd8 14.Bc6 b6+ 15.Kb5
>>>>>Nxc6 16.Kxc6 Bb7+ 17.Kb5 Ba6+ 1/2-1/2
>>>>>
>>>>>It is a very interesting game. Engines can't cope with this. I think that both
>>>>>Kb4 and Kb5 are draws as amazing as it seems.
>>>>>
>>>>>Very nice.
>>>>>
>>>>>Christopher
>>>>
>>>> Why not a readable PGN that can - including
>>>> the header - directly imported in a chess
>>>> program? BTW: An interesting game. I am goin
>>>> to have a deeper look in order to find out
>>>> if the queen sac was correct. And below the
>>>> "readable" PGN
>>>> Kurt
>>>>
>>>>[Event "Vienna"]
>>>>[Site "Vienna"]
>>>>[Date "1872.??.??"]
>>>>[Round "?"]
>>>>[White "Hampe"]
>>>>[Black "Meitner, P."]
>>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>>>[ECO "C25"]
>>>>[PlyCount "34"]
>>>>[EventDate "1872.??.??"]
>>>>
>>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Bc5 3. Na4 Bxf2+ 4. Kxf2 Qh4+ 5. Ke3 Qf4+ 6. Kd3 d5 7. Kc3 Qxe4
>>>>8. Kb3 Na6 9. a3 Qxa4+ 10. Kxa4 Nc5+ 11. Kb4 a5+ 12. Kxc5 Ne7 13. Bb5+ Kd8 14.
>>>>Bc6 b6+ 15. Kb5 Nxc6 16. Kxc6 Bb7+ 17. Kb5 Ba6+ 1/2-1/2
>>>
>>>Hello Kurt,
>>>
>>>Yes....not intended to put just the game with no header. You have done it now so
>>>thanks.
>>>
>>>As for the position/game, this is from "The Complete Vienna" by Mikhail Tseitlin
>>>and Igor Glazkov (Batsford/Herny Holt) 1995......
>>>
>>>"After 3.Na4?!, Black's best is 3.....Be7! =; instead in Hamppe-Meitner, Black
>>>sacrificed his Bishop 3.....Bxf2+ 4. Kxf2 Qh4+ 5. Ke3 Qf4+ 6. Kd3 d5 and now, by
>>>continuing 7 Qe1! de+ 8. Kc3 e3 9. Kb3 Be6+ 10. Ka3 White could have repulsed
>>>the attack and kept the piece."
>>
>>This was wrong:
>>7.Qe1 Nf6! is much better than 7...dxe4+ i.e. 8.g3 Qg4 9.Bh3 dxe4+ 10.Kc3 Nd5+
>>etc.
>>
>>Michael
>
>Hello Michael,
>
>I would not say it is wrong, just a different alternative.
Certainly it was wrong if they wrote "White could have repulsed the attack and
kept the piece". After 7...Nf6 black has at least a draw.
He can draw the game after 11.Kb3 Sc6 12.Bxg4 (12.c3 is worse) Na5+ or play for
the win with 11...Qg6 12.Bxc8 Nc6.
What pulses through
>my brain at this point is 7.....Bd7 attacking the knight.
7...Bd7 8.b3 is not so clear.
In your line I think
>8......Qg4 is not as good as Qxe4+ for example.
8...Qxe4 is bad. You shouldn´t trade Qeens if you have an attack.
Michael
>
>Christopher
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