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Subject: Re: Dutch Open round 3 (3 finished games) other still playing

Author: Djordje Vidanovic

Date: 18:24:13 11/11/05

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On November 11, 2005 at 18:37:34, Marc Lacrosse wrote:

>On November 11, 2005 at 17:13:26, Joachim Rang wrote:
>
>>On November 11, 2005 at 16:51:39, Theo van der Storm wrote:
>>
>>>[Event "25th DOCC"]
>>>[Site "Leiden NED"]
>>>[Date "2005.11.11"]
>>>[Round "3"]
>>>[White "Fruit"]
>>>[Black "Diep"]
>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>[ECO "B90"]
>>>
>>>1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 d6 3. Nge2 Nf6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 a6 6. Be3 e5 7. Nb3 Be6 8. f3
>>>Nbd7 9. g4 b5 10. g5 b4 11. Nd5 Nxd5 12. exd5 Bf5 13. Bd3 Bxd3 14. Qxd3 Be7 15.
>>>Rg1 O-O 16. O-O-O a5 17. Nd2 a4 18. Ne4 Qc7 19. h4 b3 20. axb3 axb3 21. Qxb3
>>>Rfb8 22. Qc3 Qb7 23. b3 Rc8 24. Qb2 Nb6 25. Bxb6 Qxb6 26. Rge1 Ra5 27. Kb1 Qa7
>>>28. c4 Ra8 29. Nc3 f5 30. f4 e4 31. Re2 Bd8 32. Nb5 Qa6 33. Nc3 h5 34. Na4 Rb8
>>>35. Nc3 Bb6 36. Nb5 Ra8 37. Nc3 Ra3 38. Kc2 Qa5 39. Ree1 Bf2 40. Rf1 Bc5 41.
>>>Rh1 Bb4 42. Na4 Qa7 43. c5 Bxc5 44. Ra1 Rxa1 45. Qxa1 Bd4 46. Qa2 Qb7 0-1
>>>
>>
>>Nc3-Nb5-Nc3 - really stupid play by Fruit. :-(
>>
>>Joachim
>
>
>The problem is not 35.Nc3 36.Nb5 37.Nc3, Joachim.
>
>The problem is that sicilian structures with d6-e5 by black and 0-0-0 by white
>are played extremely weakly by Fruit in quite a few sublines.
>This is the second loss of Fruit against Diep (out of two competition games!)
>due to inappropriate opening choice by Fruit's book cooker, leading to
>objectively satisfying positions that Fruit plays badly and thus to subsequent
>disaster.
>First time I was the cooker, this time Jeroen is to be blamed.
>
>This leads me to three comments.
>
>1. Congratulations to Vincent Diepeveen and to its opening advisors.
>
>2. There are terrible weaknesses in Fruit's evaluation of quite a few early
>middle game structures (and this complements other kinds of positions of which
>Fruit has a really outstanding "understanding"). Thus Fruit is not able to play
>anything and it is still terribly difficult to build a weakness-free competition
>book for it.
>
>3. Improving early middle game evaluation and planning should be given a much
>higher priority if Fabien intends to compete in tournaments like the dutch open.
>It is really incredible that the evaluation function of the competition
>"x-fruit" is still close to the publicly released one two months after release
>when engaging in such a tournament : all opponents have had all opportunities to
>test fruit's weaknesses. If tablebase implementation was such a commercial
>priority that any other development had to be stopped, then a logical
>consequence was to withdraw from any public competition until a new fruit could
>be produced with an improved evaluation. See what happened to shredder a few
>months ago. All opponents had tested their repertoire against the publicly
>available shredder 9.
>Deep shredder suffered more than one severe losses in Reykjavik.
>Fruit's fate will be the same in the following months if fabien continues to
>lose his time in  bug-checking chessbase-gui or implementing tablebase or other
>marginally important features.
>Aside of tablebases, if other questionable improvements are commercial
>priorities , then stopping to play in public tournaments for a while is
>mandatory IMHO.
>
>Marc


Marc,

I couldn't agree more with your brief analysis. However, a bitter pill is
sometimes needed for progress to be made.  Let's hope for a better streak in
this tournament.  Regardless, your comments sound to the point to me.

Djordje



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