Author: Günther Simon
Date: 06:51:19 11/12/05
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On November 12, 2005 at 09:06:12, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>On November 12, 2005 at 07:58:21, Günther Simon wrote:
>
>>On November 12, 2005 at 07:49:04, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On November 12, 2005 at 07:39:38, Günther Simon wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 12, 2005 at 06:43:52, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 12, 2005 at 06:27:24, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On November 12, 2005 at 06:17:10, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On November 12, 2005 at 03:59:54, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In the running Open Dutch Computerchess Championship
>>>>>>>>it was the program "Usurpator" to choose with White
>>>>>>>>twice the queen move Qh5 in the second move. Of course,
>>>>>>>>both games endet with a disaster. What the hell is the
>>>>>>>>idea of the programmer to choose such a bad opening line?
>>>>>>>>Kurt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Both games ended in a disaster because Ursupator is a very weak program.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I´m sure this would be a great opening move to play against all engines because
>>>>>>>you quickly get them out of book and the chances to get some nonsense moves are
>>>>>>>very high.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Michael
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Michael
>>>>>> I very much doubt ... you can say what you want,
>>>>>> but an opening where Black is slightly better
>>>>>> after the second move should be avoided at any
>>>>>> cost ... at least in matches between computer
>>>>>> programs.
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Kurt
>>>>>
>>>>>Nope, this should only be avoided if you don´t have some further book moves.
>>>>
>>>>What further book moves can repair this? ;)
>>>>Tell me a few further book moves and I set up a match
>>>>between 2 decent programs both with your super 2.Qh5? book.
>>>>I bet White will reach > 65% at least.
>>>
>>>If white will reach >65% then it proves Michael's claim.
>>>I guess that you mean black.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Yes I mixed the colours, see my other post.
>>Assuming average distribution is around 53.5: 46.5,
>>I bet White will be < 42% with that opening.
>>
>>Guenther
>
>[Event "Blitz:10'"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "2005.11.12"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Drexel"]
>[Black "Fritz 9"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[ECO "C20"]
>[PlyCount "85"]
>[TimeControl "600"]
>
>{64MB, Fritz.ctg, ATHLONXP 2.2Ghz} 1. e4 {0} e5 {0} 2. Qh5 {(Sf3) 6} Nc6 {0} 3.
>Bc4{2} g6 {0} 4. Qe2 {(Df3) 2} Nd4 {-0.09/12 23} 5. Qd1 {2} Qg5 {-0.03/11 14} 6.
>g3 {6} d5 {-0.19/12 14} 7. Bxd5 {8} Qf6 {-0.27/12 14} 8. c3 {12} Bg4 {
>-0.06/13 2} 9. Qxg4 {(f3) 24} Nc2+ {-0.66/12 13} 10. Kf1 {12} c6 {-0.43/12 10}
>11. Bc4 {8} b5 {-0.32/12 11} 12. Qd1 {48} Nxa1 {0.28/13 0} 13. Be2 {3} h5 {
>0.39/11 14} 14. b3 {45} h4 {0.82/14 0} 15. g4 {25} a5 {1.25/13 0} 16. Bb2 {5}
>Nxb3 {1.33/11 6} 17. Qxb3 {11} a4 {1.34/11 0} 18. Qc2 {6} Qe6 {1.50/12 18} 19.
>c4 {21} a3 {1.65/13 0} 20. Ba1 {5} b4 {1.73/12 9} 21. d4 {7} Bg7 {1.70/11 3}
>22. d5 {3} Qe7 {1.69/12 13} 23. Nh3 {7} Nf6 {1.75/11 5} 24. g5 {9} Nd7 {
>2.07/12 7} 25. Kg2 {7} c5 {2.06/11 7} 26. Nd2 {4} Kf8 {2.33/13 8} 27. Rf1 {5}
>Kg8 {2.60/13 14} 28. Bg4 {23} Rh7 {2.99/13 0} 29. f4 {15} Qd6 {3.25/12 0} 30.
>Nb3 {10} Nb6 {3.23/12 3} 31. Nf2 {16} Qe7 {3.23/12 0} 32. Nd3 {2} exf4 {
>3.27/12 11} 33. e5 {7} Qxg5 {3.44/12 11} 34. Kh3 {2} Na4 {3.69/12 16} 35. Qe2 {
>9} Nc3 {3.42/11 6} 36. Bxc3 {3} bxc3 {4.36/13 9} 37. Nbxc5 {10} Rb8 {5.12/12 0}
>38. Ne4 {9} Qd8 {5.83/12 6} 39. Nxc3 {5} f5 {5.98/12 8} 40. exf6 {19} Qxf6 {
>7.27/12 2} 41. Ne4 {11} Qe7 {8.10/12 0} 42. Be6+ {3} Kh8 {9.95/14 10} 43. Nxf4
>{1} 1-0
>
>Note that I had access to Fritz 9 evaluation during the game.
>Of course Fritz will play different moves in a tournament game but I am sure it
>would be a matter of some hours to figure out how to beat top engines almost
>always in tournament games with 2.Qh5 for me.
>
>Michael
Michael, why did you suddenly change the topic back to Human vs. program,
when you already knew and even stated youself we were talking about
program vs. program?
http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?461244
Thus I don't see what your last posting has to do with all we were
talking about before?
Guenther
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