Author: A. Steen
Date: 10:51:35 11/24/05
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On November 24, 2005 at 13:09:18, George Tsavdaris wrote: >any such >possible play at 5 sec/move AT MOST and being able to find all the best >moves.....I still can't believe it......I can believe it, if you say that you >played in some moves with 2-4 seconds more than 5 seconds but if 5 seconds is >the limit i can't believe it. > >> >>I play regularly as a guest at 1 0 on the chess servers. >> >>That is all one's moves in 1 minute. Allowing for average lags, that means for >>me moving about 5 moves every 4 seconds. > > No human can play 5 moves in 4 seconds via internet! The mouse movements take >around 5-6 seconds and even if you are allowed to grab a piece to have it ready >for respond, that would need the opponent to make around 2-3 seconds per move in >order to give you time to respond.....But even then with 1-2 seconds to think >about a move this can not be called Chess....... If you think mouse movements take 5-6 secs, you are on another planet, sorry. Most of the time one is anticipating. And there is pre-move Please log on to ICC. It is at http://www.chessclub.com At any time there are dozens and often hundreds of 1 0 chess games going on. That is all the moves in 1 minute, as already said. Some of these games reach 100 moves. Neither player being a computer. Check out Hawkeye(GM) on ICC. Roland Schmalz, I repeat, has been timed at as high as 7 moves/second. This is something I quickly found using http://groups.google.com and searching for fastest bullet player on ICC Hawkeye The poster is Dr Robert Hyatt, the famous poster of CCC. ---------------------- Date: Mar 24 1999 Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.computer From: Robert Hyatt <hyatt@crafty.cis.uab.edu> Jeremiah Penery wrote: : Robert Hyatt wrote: :> That is a tough one to call. Somehow 'hawkeye' seems to be well above the :> 'norm' in blitz. IE he beat GM Dlugy quite convincingly in 1 0 bullet the :> other day (I didn't watch the match, but saw his game history after the :> match. I don't _ever_ recall beating Hawkeye 18 in a row in the past. Yes :> it will beat him in the big majority of the games, but what does '18-0' :> suggest Elo-wise? at least +400? That is nuts. But it does happen as :> many games as Crafty plays on ICC... : I (And many others, surely) would suggest that Hawkeye is THE BEST : player in the world at very fast time controls (i.e. lightning/bullet : chess). His best FICS rating [handle: Stealthfighter] was around 2800 : for lightning - a number the computers don't even touch, and VERY hard : to reach with the rating system there. : Jeremiah Crafty is very close to 2800 on FICS... 2778 last time I looked. But you are right. I have watched Hawkeye, Dlugy and Roman play games at an impossible speed rate. And they don't make horrible blunders very often. The human mind is an amazing thing when 'put to the test'... :) ---------------------- Just search for Hawkeye via Google or Google Groups, and you will find lots more. So again, don't flatter my 0.2 or 0.3 moves per second, when reasonably good chess is played by guys like GM Schmalz, GM Dlugy and GM Dzindzichashvili at 2 moves per second steadily and at bursts above 5 moves per second. YOU GREATLY UNDERESTIMATE STRONG PLAYERS, SIR! >>I have personally witnessed others move as many as 5 or even more moves in a >>second (using pre-move, of course). Humans, not computers. > Again this is not possible if the opponent plays in 1-2 seconds. But if the >opponent makes 3-4 seconds to move then using "pre-move" it is easy to play as >many moves you want as when the opponent plays you can play in less than 0.3 >seconds a move by releasing the mouse. You are arguing as an "opinion" about things which are matter of fact. Why not start a thread here saying: "This idiot Steen claims humans on ICC play reasonable chess at 1 sec/move or faster" or something like that, and I am sure other people will soon set you right. Log on to ICC now as a guest, put your guest number here, set tell 1 so you can hear other guests and I will let you follow me giving people a beating at 1 minute per game. Better still, I will let you see dozens of others doing the same thing. It is not high-quality chess, only reasonable - but enough to kill Fruit when Fruit is sleep-walking. :) >>So please don't flatter me about my 0.2 or 0.3 moves/second in a game that >>placed no demands on me while my opponent sleep-walked to its doom. :: all else we agree on, so this is snipped :: Best, A.S.
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