Author: allan johnson
Date: 20:46:39 03/25/99
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On March 24, 1999 at 01:56:48, odell hall wrote: > >>How do you know that he has a 752 rating? If he is a cheat, he may be a liar as >>well. He may have given you the name of a putzer at his local club. However, >>this "villian" who may have no knowledge that you are slamming him here is being >>tried and convicted by you within this forum. And not only his guilt, but facts >>about his guilt such as his rating are "obvious" to you to the point that you >>ignore his rights. > > >How do I know that he has a 752 rating? Well On the internet you can never know >for certain anything. But that is not the most damning evidence against him, the >100% match with fritz5 is what's damaging, I noticed you did not respond to >that point! I will tell you this, his rating does supply a possible motive for >cheating. As far as your suggestion that he may have given the name of a >"patzer" at his local chess club. That explanation makes absolutely no sense. >He could have come up with a lot stronger person to impersonate, especially >since he just defeated a 2400 rated computer. When I asked him his name he had >no idea that I suspected him of cheating. His Act of revealing his real name is >just evidence of how stupid of a cheater he is. > > >>If someone accused you of cheating here and went around posting your handle, I >>would defend your rights as well. You have stated repeatedly that your facts are >>100%. Prove it. You cannot. > > >If someone accused me of cheating in this forum, and had a game that matched >identical the moves of fritz5, I would say nothing but "opps I am busted" and >move on. I don't understand why you cannot see that a perfect match with a >computer is equivalent to a fingerprint. And would be accepted by any reasonalbe >person as evidence. > > > >I use your own words against you. Why can you not >>prove that a 752 rated player is playing Fritz like moves? > > > >Please explain what you mean by "Fritz like moves" The game was a perfect match. > He did not play in the style of fritz, he played exactly every move that fritz >played. What is the probability of an exact match? I have tested rebel, Mchess, >cm4000 and genius 5 none of these programs even matched his game 50%. > > > > > >You are making assumptions based on >>some small set of investigations that you made. He may have led you astray. >> > > >I am making assumptions Based on 1. The Suspected cheater Played a game that >Perfectly 100% matches Fritz5.32 2. The Suspected Cheater Gave me his name not >realizing that I suspected him of cheating, turns out his rating is 752. If he >lied about this it only further strains his credibility. 3. Bruce moreland and >expert in computer chess States after viewing the Suspected cheaters games that >the move times were very "computery". And you are telling me that I cannot make >a assumption based on this?? Let me asked you something? If someone Broke into >your house and you find that person's finger prints all over your possesions is >it reasonable to accuse that person's of stealing? > Odell: This is not a good analogy to use to support your argument especially since you are using a proviso(is it reasonable!to accuse that person of stealing) which correctly suggests possible innocence.At this point in time this alleged chess cheater has been proven guilty according to you with evidence that can, in no circumstances,be considered conclusive allan prints in a house could be > > > >He may be a 2400 level IM who may be >>using a computer to test some theories and is pulling your leg. > > > > > > I don't care if he is 2400 or 752, if he is using a computer without a C he is >cheating! > > > >We have no problem with you posting the >>games here and asking for opinions and help. We have a problem with this "I am >>the great Lone Ranger protecting the masses from the cheaters of the world" type >>of syndrome where your right to inform others of this great "social injust >ice" > > >?????? What are you talking about! When did I proclaim that I am the great >Lone Ranger Protecting the masses from cheaters?? Did I even Imply this? >Before you Added your two cents to the thread, It was just an innocent quest to >see if I was cheated. If you would read my original post, I came seeking advice >on whatever or not the guy cheated, because then I had only suspicions. And when >you say "WE" I wonder who you are refering to, it is certainly not a moderator. >As to what you like or dislike about my post Frankly I don't give a damn. If >there is any lone ranger here , or if there is a syndrome it is you championing >the So-called "Rights of Computer cheaters". Whatever those Allegeded Rights >Are. Could you show me these "Rights".
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