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Subject: Re: Different Hydra personalities against Rybka

Author: Joachim Rang

Date: 04:13:16 12/13/05

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On December 13, 2005 at 07:06:35, Tord Romstad wrote:

>On December 13, 2005 at 06:33:05, Kolss wrote:
>
>>The same with Ikarus. I quite regularly produce versions which outscore the
>>standard version by 30 or even 60 ELO points in direct matches by just doing
>>some tweaking or adding or removing a term here or there. But in *most* cases,
>>these versions do worse (often by about 50 ELO points!) against a standard set
>>of different opponents.
>
>You see this in *most* cases?  Strange.  I have *never* seen this happen.
>Like everybody else, I have often experienced that a version which seems to
>be much stronger in self-play matches is only a tiny bit stronger against
>other engines, and also that there is no measurable difference at all.  I
>have never seen the version which is stronger in self-play perform measurably
>*worse* against other programs, however.
>

same here

>>Self-play can give you a hint that you screwed something up completely, but it
>>is no serious way to measure progress / improvement.
>
>For me, self-play is useful as a first, quick test.  Because my experience
>is that self-play tends to exaggerate the difference between two program
>versions, it enables me to detect tiny improvements more rapidly.  If the
>results of my self-play matches are promising, I proceed to test against
>other engines.
>
>Tord

same here

:-)



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