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Subject: Re: Fruit is based on Toga No

Author: Andrew Williams

Date: 06:14:49 12/23/05

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On December 23, 2005 at 07:01:00, Paul Jacobean Sacral wrote:

>On December 23, 2005 at 06:28:28, Ryan B. wrote:
>
>>>Fabian gained nothing code wise being open source.  The only change Toga made
>>that Fabian also did was extending recaps in PV.
>
>I think is was more than that.

The problem with this opinion is that you don't have the faintest idea what you
are talking about. Because of this, anything that you "think" is not going to be
  useful in this debate.

>
>But ok, let the future decide: Now, while Toga will not be improved anymore, as
>T.Gaksch has announced, watch how "suddenly" quick improvements of Fruit will
>stop as well. Oopsie...? Pure coincidence, I'm sure. Yes, absolutely. There is
>no connection between these two facts, surely not... :-)))
>
>Yours truly Paul J. Sacral

You write about chess programs as if the work of putting together board
representation, move generation, evaluation, search control, transposition table
was simple. But it is *that* work which makes Toga so strong and Gaksch did not
do it. I have no idea whether Toga's author at first tried to pass of Toga as
his own work or not. But whether or not he did, he started with ALL of the hard
work done. Anybody can take an existing program and tinker around with the
source code and stumble upon an improvement - there's no skill in that. The
skill is in creating a strong program in the first place. If you don't believe
me, why do you think that Thomas started out with Fruit and not (eg) GNUchess?

Andrew



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