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Subject: Re: What i would have wished!

Author: Vasik Rajlich

Date: 04:55:20 12/25/05

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On December 24, 2005 at 10:56:25, Thomas Gaksch wrote:

>it is very difficult for me to describe this in english.
>first of all i want to clarify, that i always thank fabien for his great program
>fruit and everything he did for computer chess. an of course he is a great
>programmer and a great person. no doubt about that. i have never said anything
>else. i also have never said that i am the great programmer and that toga is
>full of new ideas. i have also never said that fruit wouldn´t be as strong as it
>is without toga.
>i just read the comments from ryan, uri, tord (programmers) and others about
>toga and i am very dissapointed from their statements. but i think there are
>some facts.
>first of all the most important fact is playing strength.
>CEGT 40/40 Fruit 2.1 = 2713 ELO
>CEGT 40/40 Toga II 1.1 = 2767 ELO
>CEGT Blitz Fruit 2.1 = 2703
>CEGT Blitz Toga II 1.1 = 2767
>and if you critizise me that i only wrote 47 lines of code for this improvement
>than i think that is not a negative point. not the quantity of lines is
>important.
>and if you critizise me that i invented nothing new than i can only say that it
>is true. why should i invent something really new, if it is possible to improve
>fruit with known techniques.
>you say that it is so simple what i have done. thats partly true. but believe me
>or not i invested a lot of time in testing und finding the right techniques
>which improved the playing strenght so much. if everything is so simple and fast
>to implement, why hasn´t done it fabien in fruit 2.0 or 2.1? i think fabien
>hastn´t done it, because he didn´t believe that these techniques would increase
>the playing strength so much. there is absolutely no doubt about it that it
>would be easy for him to do that. and it is 100% clear that he never used toga
>code in fruit. but i think i showed him the techniques which worked in fruit
>very well. so he saved a little bit time in testing this things because he saw
>in toga that it will work.
>i also said that i would never release a clone if it is not better than his
>original. so if ryan writes derogative about toga than i only can say "do it
>better". but you release one beta after the other and no beta is really stronger
>than toga 1.1. so you see it is not so simple to improve an existing engine like
>everybody thinks.
>i am absolutely sure that some people will again misunderstand my lines. but
>that are the facts about fruit/toga and i would have wished that the people
>would also accepted these facts. but it is only a whish.
>
>merry christmas
>
>Thomas

Thomas,

there is only one way to escape criticism, and that is to do nothing. I hope
that you continue your work on Toga.

The only semi-interesting issue I see here is the question of how Toga should be
named.

Vas



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