Author: Roger Brown
Date: 13:02:02 12/30/05
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On December 30, 2005 at 08:56:21, K. Burcham wrote: > > >All Programmers 25 or younger please sign up for a Rybka code class. If you are >over 25 and presently own a chess program or write code---PLEASE RETIRE AND DO >NOT POST CODE IDEAS HERE PLEASE. You are tooo expensive for some of us. I am >tired of funding your incorrect approach to writing chess code. Hello K. Burcham, Precisely where do you have evidence of Rybka's code being available anywhere? :-) The other complaint about funding an incorrect approach is a little puzzling. You buy the best at the time. It is the same with any technology. Look at desktop computers. In a year's time a dual will be as affordable as some single cpu machines. Do you regret the years of enjoyment the single cpu machine gave you? I do not.... > >What about the chess code teachers that thought they had been teaching correct >information? Again, Rybka's author must be doing something right but all those other code teachers contributed to where we are now. Or can't you understand that? > >What about all the programmers that have been posting here for years that were >out in left field, you know way out on a limb, you know going down the wrong >road? Did you know that they were incorrect? Could you illustrate with a couple of examples for the rest of us? > >What about all the suckers It is my money and it was not $3,000 it was $2,400. :-) here that have spent $3000 on chess programs that are >sitting on the shelf, that at one time you thought they were strong, at one time >you were posting here kissin some programmers ass That sounds fascinating. I have tons of programs here and I never kissed one ass. Do you get a discount for that? :-) with same programmer creating >what today is weak code against Rybka. Dont tell me about CM2000 or Shredder2 >and improvements since---not talking about that----talking about this>They were >all incorrect. What the other programmers were thinking is incorrect, it is >broke, it is incorrect, it is weak, you were wrong, admit it, what you were >thinking was wrong. Stay with me here. Can you say exactly what was wrong? Just a few points will do for me. Assertions without evidence are no more true for being repeated with emphasis. Dont tell me you are right because you were just trying to >create a 2200 program---bulldung---you were trying to create the strongest you >knew how,,but,,you were wrong. Your logic for writing your code was wrong, weak. Again the assertion and again no evidence. >Your hours days months of testing methods was incorrect, broke. Again the assertion and again no evidence. > >I put my money in several programmers here and now Rybka shows that my purchases >are very low level. I am going to ask one question: What are you going to do when another program comes along that takes us somewhere programs have never been before? Rant about Rybka's author's incorrect approach to code writing? > >Most programmers here thought that code improvements and new ideas would only >increase program elo by very minimum, wrong again. Actually, I have read the opposite but it is true for already developed programs. Then again, there might be a surprise or two lurking around the corner... > >It is time for some programmers to retire, thanks for your work over the years >but we must move on to better and correct ideas and stronger programs. Phew! At last some credit. > >For the new programmers that still have an open learning hungry mind and not >cocked up about themselves---you have a real oportunity to grasp the new code >approach and run with it. Good Luck. It requires more than good luck it requires the code. I have said that already... Not that I am asking Vasik to release anything but one cannot speak of learning where there is no code. Thank goodness for the oldsters! > >For those that have been on stage, time to go home, we do not want to see the >second show. Stop by and say hi once in a while, but please take a seat and >watch the second show. When over, someone will help you to the door. >Heck---maybe someone will actually ask for your autograph. This is just absurd, insulting and perhaps could be attributed to an over-abundance of enthusiasm For the defenders of Rybka, save it. I plan to buy the engine in any event but this sort of post is not only disrespectful, it flies in the face of logic or an understanding of technological change. The thing is not to sneer at those who went before but to build on their ideas and concepts. I want all ideas to contend and may the best one win. Even if the programmer is late on in years. Your contempt for age would have me throwing out Dr. Hyatt and Leen Ammeraal, two gentlemen and conributors to my chess enjoyment for many years. I am so happy that Vasik acknowledges the contributions of those who went before him even as he prepares to dominate the field. His approach is refreshing and so unlike the tenor of your post. Perhaps you could learn from him as well..... > >still have a little money left, Save some for the oldsters. They may have some bang left! Later.
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