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Subject: Re: Rebel's Phony Elo settings

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 00:07:30 04/04/99

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On April 04, 1999 at 03:12:17, Dave Gomboc wrote:

>On April 03, 1999 at 21:57:06, odell hall wrote:
>
>>Hi CCC
>>
>>
>> I set rebel 10's elo at my uscf rating (1810) to see just how realistic the
>>rating are.  I played a six game match at game/5.  I was soundly crushed every
>>game!!. Do not believe for a minute that the elo settings for rebel are
>>accurate. Rebel plays much stronger than the elo might suggest. I believe with
>>programs getting as strong as they are that a reasonable goal for programmers
>>would be to develop realistic elo settings for their programs.
>
>When I beta-tested Rebel 8 (and 9) I found that the elo function worked quite
>well!  And I tested using 5 minute blitz games.  Some others have already
>mentioned that USCF ratings are seriously inflated compared to other parts of
>the world, maybe as much as 200 points.  (They're not alone: Canada's are
>getting to be just as bad.)  Also, you probably should take it off of the
>tournament book, so you're likely to have a better chance to get an edge in the
>opening if you're the theory type.
>
>There is a certain limit below which it doesn't go... it might be 1400, it might
>be 1600, I don't know exactly.  The lower limit might even depend on the
>hardware you're running on.  I propose that you do an experiment: set it to
>1400, see if you start beating it up, or if it is still crushing you.  If you
>are still getting crushed then it serves you right for having such a fast
>computer. <grin>  (Actually, that was just a joke: I'd expect that the program
>compensates for the machine speed.)
>
>Maybe I will go play Rebel 9 a couple of games here with the elo function
>dropped and see what happens...
>
>Dave Gomboc

Well, Odell, you are right!  I just played Rebel 9 at "1300" on my PII-300
(dual, but Rebel's only using one of them).  10 games of 5 minute blitz, I got 2
points.  But I _did_ see it occasionally (i.e. in several games) play weak
moves... an example would be that there was a fork of my queen and a rook but it
didn't play it, instead it just made some pawn push.  That sort of thing.  In
some games I had what I thought was a crushing attack, for sure it would have
killed any _real_ 1300.  But Rebel pulled a swindle out of the bag. :!

The funniest thing that happened was during one of the blitz games, Windows 98
took control to inform me that it had just adjusted for daylight savings time,
and could I please check to make sure the time was now correct!  So I hit okay,
also okay on the date/time calendar, and went back to Rebel, and of course its
clock was all screwed up. :-)  I guess you can't program for everything. <grin>

Dave Gomboc



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