Author: Stuart Cracraft
Date: 10:40:33 01/14/06
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On January 14, 2006 at 03:42:21, Walter Faxon wrote: >On January 14, 2006 at 01:21:08, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On January 14, 2006 at 01:09:25, Stuart Cracraft wrote: >> >>>On January 14, 2006 at 00:51:30, Dann Corbit wrote: >>> >>>>On January 14, 2006 at 00:13:03, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>One note... >>>>> >>>>>If you look around, 90% of the people that stop participating in actual computer >>>>>chess discussions are those that chose to go "commercial". Or those that chose >>>>>to do something after lurking here for quite a while, then go off and become >>>>>ultra-secretive. The other 10% either would like to go commercial, but don't, >>>>>or they just "burn out." Burn-out is fairly common. I can only think of one >>>>>person that is still active that was around when I started competing in CC >>>>>events. Me. Why I didn't "burn out" I have no idea. And I haven't done so to >>>>>date either... >>>>> >>>>>The ones of us still releasing source code, or even if we are not, we still >>>>>choose to "hold nothing back" _still_ continue to discuss computer chess ideas. >>>>>I've been quieter than usual, because I have been busier than usual here at UAB, >>>>>and also because of the major changes being made in Crafty to get ready for the >>>>>next WCCC. But eventually, everything I have been doing will become public, and >>>>>that will continue so long as I am able to continue doing this stuff, hopefully >>>>>for many years yet to go... >>>>> >>>>>Remember that it is just as reasonable to _start_ a thread on some CC topic as >>>>>it is to wait for others to start it, and then jump in. In the past few years, >>>>>many have chosen to "go commercial" and that ends their participation in >>>>>technical discussions. >>>>> >>>>>That is sad, but it happens. Fortunately there are still a few around that will >>>>>continue to discuss things, and continue to push themselves (and the silent >>>>>lurkers) forward year by year. One simply has to decide whether to be an active >>>>>participant or just a lurker... >>>> >>>>Sometimes, they also get rejuvenated. I think Bruce Moreland may be picking up >>>>interest again. >>>> >>>>When Ed Schroder retired from computer chess, he gave detailed instructions on >>>>how to write a good program on his web site. He was often helpful with advice >>>>even when he was programming. >>>> >>>>I think in Christophe Theron's case, he discovered a beautiful woman and found >>>>out that they can be a lot more fun than even chess (drat!) >>>> >>>>I also think that the academic endeavor is the best approach in the long haul. >>>> >>>>I think that going professional would probably also take all or most of the fun >>>>out of chess programming. >>> >>>I don't put myself at any of their levels, but I did go away for a year, >>>and, with Don Beal's, Brian Richardson's, and Dan Homan's help, modify my >>>program so that it learns piece values from entirely randomized play starting >>>with all pieces equal to a pawn and no other evaluation knowledge besides >>>material. I am currently working on modifying it to do the same for non-material >>>pieces and encountering surprising resistance in the code. >>> >>>Brian convinced me to come back here and take a look at the goings-on and I am >>>it is all about Rybka and Fruit - two remarkable programs. I bought Rybka and >>>I downloaded Fruit. I've played one game against Rybka and briefly looked >>>at Fruit code enough that I know I still don't want to review another >>>programmer's code (in any application area) for any reason. >>> >>>I miss some of the longer discussions on computer chess programming but sobeit. >>> >>>Threads on the subject seem to die faster now here, but perhaps that's just a >>>misperception. >> >>I've been here a long time. It goes in waves. A lot of the programmers split >>time at the Winboard forum now, and I think that takes up a lot of their energy. > > >There is a good reason for that. A programming thread here drifts off page one >in a day or so. In a week they're only available in the archives, if at all. >But at the WinBoard forum (just checked) some topics go back for more than a >year. > >I guess I just convinced myself to spend more time there. > >-W Where is this Winboard forum? Also - why haven't they turned to Arena? Arena doesn't have ability to play a program on ICS/FICS automatically? Stuart
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