Author: Mario Antonio F.
Date: 12:06:53 01/17/06
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Günther, My e-mail address maf@sun.cotse.net is a genuine address as well as my name. So you can e-mail if you want :) I have posted a couple of times under a different e-mail (mario_antonio@mail.com), but the junk I was receiving there was just too much and decided to change the address. I rarely post and do not have a specific pattern for this. I have contributed to a C or C++ thread and asked about the inner structure of the CBH file, if I remember correctly. I prefer to develop on Mac OS X and was curious about opening directly a CBH file. When I joined the club, I did not provide my last name because I needed to understand how trustworthy the club was, but it seems it is not possible to change the name once it is registered. I feel glad the club is serious about not providing names and e-mails into spam lists. I agree I should have done a lot more research before posting sensible information, but my concerns were still the same. So I would have posted anyway maybe using better words. BTW, I did not know how sensible this topic was. You may be right that revealing the methods for cloning will bring more clones. The info provided by Dan Honeycutt was valuable and to-the-point. Now I can relate your comment (not revealing methods) with Dan's (author providing source to a panel). It is all explained now. Best Regards, Mario Antonio. On January 17, 2006 at 14:43:42, Günther Simon wrote: >On January 17, 2006 at 14:16:16, Mario Antonio F. wrote: > >>Günther, >> >>I do not have the intention of fighting or to 'gain some attention' or to bring >>'certain agenda'. I do not try to speculate or to insult the memory of the >>computer chess community or try to confront you or anyone else. >> >>I can not read the german in schachwerstatt site >>(http://f50.parsimony.net/forum202220/messages/9359.htm), where a lot of >>comments are being done about Fafis. >> >>I do not find a search mechanism in WBEC Forum. I did a search again on WB >>forum, and I just find some entry at >>http://f50.parsimony.net/forum202220/messages/9336.htm >> >>Where it proves that Fafis reads commands similarly to Crafty. But it is not >>proved that the engine itself acts identically. Even the author of the post >>states "But remember: If an engine 'solves' all positions it is no evidence at >>all for a clone!! It's just a little hint to take a closer look on it." >> >>I did not know about CSS forum or Exacta forum. Maybe you can kindly provide >>some links on where I can start reading. >> >>We all in this community have something in common: We all enjoy in one way or >>another computer chess. >> >>The community is not very large, and your attitude does not seem to be very >>friendly, but I still respect you. > >Hi Mario, or whoever you are ;-) > >You must note that that we had the same (sigh) already after the first >time Fafis was proven to be a clone.(Crafty at that time, later it was >Fruit, but without mentioning and even trying to patent it ;) at least >this was what he told). >A 'friend' of the author tried to blow up huge threads here about >what is a clone and what not etc... >The second point is that you had never posted here before and hide >behind a false network address(sun.cotse.net) in your mail addy, thus I >concluded, >that you must have certain suspicious reasons to remain anonymous. >Well there is a high probability, as someone here had started before, >that an anonymous, who opens such a very sensible topic already in his >first post might be a troll. That's just the experience over >5 or 6 years and nothing personal. >If that assumption was wrong despite the usual pattern, I apologize >too. I must say though, why do you simply assume long time and well known >posters like Graham and Michael spread rumours about clones without >any proofs? It would have been better to investigate this sensible >theme a bit more before posting the message the way you did, don't you >agree? >I am too lazy to dig out all I had for that case around 3 or 4 months ago, >but I am sure others can help you out more, if you don't trust me. > >>I do software engineering and I enjoy about computer chess. I still feel amazed >>on how it is possible that a program can be built to solve a puzzle. Especially >>those dedicated computers that have very limited RAM. I still read the inner >>working of a chess program and even write to Universities to get certain papers >>to understand the algorithms better. I respect very much Robert Hyatt, Ed >>Schroeder and all scientists that are willing to share some of their knowledge >>with the community. >>If you read my post again, you will find I care more about 'How it is >>determined' that a piece of software is a clone, rather than getting into >>politics and fight over for nothing. > >Well, I think revealing _all_ methods to detect a clone here(depends >on the clone anyway - some are very easy to spot, for others it was >much more work) is the wrong place and only would lead to _more_ clones. > >>If you think you are being insulted, please receive my apologies. > >No I did not feel insulted, but your post had all patterns >of certain troll messages, sorry, see above. > >> >>Best Regards, >> >>Mario Antonio > >Regards, >Guenther
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