Author: Günther Simon
Date: 02:54:18 01/20/06
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On January 20, 2006 at 05:28:47, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On January 20, 2006 at 04:58:11, enrico carrisco wrote: > >>On January 20, 2006 at 03:14:09, Mike Byrne wrote: >> >>>http://www.chessolympiad-torino2006.org/eng/index.php?cav=1&dettaglio=309 >>> >>>good stuff... >> >>Yea -- he even cited the "Anti-computer chess expert" Pablo Ignacio Restrepo. >>What more would we need? >> >>-elc. > > Yes, this, and then also the point that not automatically everything which is >quoted by a GM, here GM Golubev, is similar to Newton's Gravitation Law Paper or >Einstein's paper on Relativity. It's a bogus more or less. I want to add a >single item so that my opinion doesnt look like a cheap arbitrariness. > >The CEGT test guys are mentioned (I think some 15 persons) and it sounds as if >they were a sort of institution for certain questions in CC. Comparable to what >we meant when we spoke of "the new SSDF list" in the 90's. The problem begins if >I question that Rybka is already proven the strongest engine today. Then people >tell me to look at CEGT where that has been proven... This was a few days ago >here in CCC. I must object to such sort of hybris. The truth is that we dont >have statistical methods for making such claims. Even after 700 or maybe over >1000 games the significance is not so sure and if you look at the +/- boundaries >of the so called Elo results then you still have overlappings and you cant say >that Rybka is the clear first. You have never looked there it seems, otherwise you would know the numbers and that no boundaries overlap, because Rybka is far away from all in the main rating list. You also neglect all other results, which always show Rybka on place one, everywhere and everytime with more than a couple of games played and a serious setup. Rybka is currently as clear the best program on equal hardware as the sun is going to shine the next day. If you don't like it, because you 'feel' CCC is/was abused for Rybka 'hypes' and marketing, it is your problem. You sound like someone, who wasn't sent the Rybka beta after its download period was gone. G. ...snip...
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