Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 04:31:25 01/20/06
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On January 20, 2006 at 07:27:48, Thomas Lagershausen wrote: >On January 20, 2006 at 07:00:07, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>On January 20, 2006 at 06:42:42, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >> >>>On January 20, 2006 at 06:32:48, Günther Simon wrote: >>> >>>>On January 20, 2006 at 06:04:57, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 20, 2006 at 05:51:32, Martin Andersen2 wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 20, 2006 at 05:28:47, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I question that Rybka is already proven the strongest engine today. Then people >>>>>>>tell me to look at CEGT where that has been proven... This was a few days ago >>>>>>>here in CCC. I must object to such sort of hybris. The truth is that we dont >>>>>>>have statistical methods for making such claims. Even after 700 or maybe over >>>>>>>1000 games the significance is not so sure and if you look at the +/- boundaries >>>>>>>of the so called Elo results then you still have overlappings and you cant say >>>>>>>that Rybka is the clear first. >>>>>> >>>>>>Rybka 1.0 beta 64 bit 2859 +-21 >>>>>>Deep shredder 9 2CPU 2804 +-17 >>>>>> >>>>>>So Rybka's number 1 spot cannot be touched. You are wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>>Martin. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>1 Rybka 1.01 Beta 9 64-bit opt 2921 73 68 71 80.3 % 2677 33.8 % >>>>>2 Rybka 1.0 Beta 64-bit 2859 21 21 765 68.4 % 2725 32.7 % >>>>>3 Deep Shredder 9.12 x64 2CPU 2844 45 45 168 64.6 % 2740 30.4 % >>>> >>>> >>>>Also apples and oranges... You show 1CPU vs. 2CPUs >>>>scroll a bit down to find an appropriate Shredder for real comparison >>>> >>>>...snip babbling... >>> >>> >>>Please just try to behave. Otherwise you wont last very long here in CCC. In the >>>meantime look also here into the ratings of Kurt Utzinger: >>> >>>1 Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit 2620 20 25 700 67.0 2497 30.0 % >>>2 Toga II 1.1 2595 23 24 600 61.8 2512 33.3 % >>>3 Fruit 2.2.1 2591 18 20 1010 62.8 2500 29.2 % >>>4 Fritz 9 2589 19 21 880 62.2 2503 28.0 % >>> >>> >>>Also here you can see the same. Of course Rybka is leading (probably for the >>>given reasons of its daily updates) but the differences are NOT significant. It >>>is all about the power of stats and NOT my personal beliefs or my prejudices, as >>>you want to propagate. Next time you repeat such nonsense I'll contact the mod. >> >> >>Here is the head of Gerhard Sonnabend Rating List: >> >>1 Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit 2827 29 44 304 71.9 % 2664 26.6 % >> 2 Deep Shredder 9 UCI(t2) 2806 20 33 612 71.9 % 2643 22.9 >>% >> 3 Hiarcs 10 2780 39 41 208 63.7 % 2682 33.2 >>% >> 4 Fruit 2.2 2778 23 31 520 67.3 % 2653 26.5 >>% >> 5 Shredder 8(t2) 2767 27 35 398 67.0 % 2644 26.4 >>% >> >> >>The same almost. Here it's overlapping down to number five Shredder 8. We had >>this debate over all the last years with SSDF. These differences are NOT >>significant insofar we wanted to claim a clear superiority of one single engine. >>With all that I dont deny that Rybka is a gigantic enjoyment for all of us. But >>let's wait a little bit until other programmers have reacted with their >>updates... > >You are not able to interprete such lists because you didn´t know what t2 means. > >The same as above, where is Rybka 64bit in this list and where are the improved >32bit versions of Rybka in this list? > >Please stop your campaigne of desinformation. > >TL If I quote part of a rating list, what did I interprete at all? Please try to behave. And tell the other friends, what i told you. In case they want to say the same you did.
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