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Subject: Re: Rybka EXE will bigger and bigger - why this? Imbreeding Factor

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 04:39:20 01/25/06

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On January 25, 2006 at 05:48:28, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On January 24, 2006 at 23:54:43, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>On January 24, 2006 at 22:12:23, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>
>>>On January 24, 2006 at 22:09:27, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 24, 2006 at 21:45:06, Graham Banks wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 24, 2006 at 21:39:31, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On January 24, 2006 at 21:34:48, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>>>>>[snip]
>>>>>>>The Old Siberian CHess wasnt bad either. But honestly isnt that a contradictio
>>>>>>>in prosecco if you say strong _and_ ultra-tiny? Sounds as if you meant a
>>>>>>>peabrain? How could it be strong?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"I myself am often surprised at life's little quirks..." -- The man in black.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Elo list from:
>>>>>>http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>RankProgram:                      Ed 11    Comm Priv Ed 10   Ed 9    Ed 8
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1   Fruit WCCC'05                     2794*         2631    2610    2551
>>>>>>2   Shredder 9-x64                    2766*         2818    2760    2766
>>>>>>3   Gandalf 6.01                      2736*         2702    2738    2582
>>>>>>4   Pro Deo 1.1                       2730          2689    2672    2724
>>>>>>5   Thinker 5.0b x64                  2729          2590    2575    2617
>>>>>>6   Zappa 1.1 x64                     2724          2668    New     New
>>>>>>[snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The 5.0b version is not generally available (I understand he is working on an
>>>>>>update now) but the version that I have is also very strong and is 70K in size.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The Thinker.exe file for Thinker 5.0b is 49kb in size!
>>>>
>>>>If we continue our extrapolation, it becomes infinitely smart at zero size.
>>>>;-)
>>>
>>>Also it couldnt be engineered backwards...
>>>
>>>But you guys please tell me why isnt THinker promoted and supported like Rybka?
>>>I dont get it.
>>
>>Simple - There is nothing else like Rybka -- it is  - at the moment, the
>>strongest engine per Ghz.
>>
>>The endefeated Rybka is the standard Beta 12, all others have tweaked settings.
>>
>>Many more rounds to play.
>>
>>    Engine                            Score
>>01: Rybka v1.01 Beta 12.x64           5.0/5
>>02: Rybka v1.01 Beta 12.x64 [001]     4.0/5
>>03: Rybka v1.01 Beta 12.x64 [111]     4.0/5
>>04: Rybka v1.01 Beta 12.x64 [010]     4.0/5
>>05: Pro Deo                           4.0/5
>>06: Toga II                           3.5/5
>>07: Rybka v1.01 Beta 12.x64 [011]     3.5/5
>>08: Rybka v1.01 Beta 12.x64 [110]     3.5/5
>>09: GFruit-4bx                        3.0/5
>>10: Shredder 8                        3.0/5
>>11: Fruit 2.1                         3.0/5
>>11: Rybka v1.01 Beta 12.x64 msvtus6vp 3.0/5
>>13: Shredder Classic 1.3              3.0/5
>>14: Rybka v1.01 Beta 12.x64 [101]     3.0/5
>>15: Rybka v1.01 Beta 12.x64 [100]     3.0/5
>>16: Rybka v1.01 Beta 12.x64 MFB       2.5/5
>>17: Rybka v1.01 Beta 10d.x64 MFB      2.5/5
>>18: Shredder 9.1                      2.0/5
>>18: Rybka v1.0 Preview 2 x64          2.0/5
>>20: Gandalf60                         2.0/5
>>21: Crafty64 19.20                    2.0/5
>>22: Rebel 12                          1.5/5
>>23: Deep Sjeng 1.6                    1.0/5
>>24: AnMon 5.50                        0.5/5
>>25: Zappa 1.1                         0.5/5
>>25: Ruffian 2.1                       0.5/5
>>27: TheKing 3.23                      0.5/5
>>28: SOS 5.1 for Arena                 0.0/5
>
>
>
>Mike,
>
>what you oversee is this: you could get the same results if you only had a
>single Rybka entry and some 20 actually differently tuned Shredders!! This is
>stats and NOT original strength. I used to give the example of the Bobby Fischer
>problem in 1962 Curacao... You have no chance as a single player if some 6 or 8
>opponents can enter cooperation mode just by their mere number of players.

I tell the Rybkas that they must STOP cooperating and breeding with each other!

Thanks for pointing that out.   ;>)
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Seriously , your point is well taken, but at this point I already know Rybka is
the strongest -- now I just want to know which settings are best.

Michael



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