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Subject: Re: [Moderation] Enough is enough

Author: Vasik Rajlich

Date: 12:32:32 02/13/06

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On February 13, 2006 at 04:22:21, Peter Skinner wrote:

>On February 13, 2006 at 03:29:19, Vasik Rajlich wrote:
>
>>On February 12, 2006 at 13:32:33, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>
>>>This is nothing more than a flagrant attempt in polling users about possible
>>>commercial payment possibilities for your program, and as such I am removing the
>>>thread.
>>>
>>>As per the charter:
>>>
>>>Once a member gains access to the message board, he may read all messages and
>>>post new or response messages with the proviso that these new or response
>>>messages:
>>>
>>>   1. Are, within reason, on the topic of computer chess
>>>   2. Are not abusive in nature
>>>   3. Do not contain personal and/or libelous attacks on others
>>>   4. Are not flagrant commercial exhortations
>>>   5. Are not of questionable legal status.
>>>
>>>What about rule #4 do you not understand?
>>>
>>>Peter
>>
>>I think the moderation team should clarify rule #4.
>>
>>My post did not:
>>
>>1) Talk positively about Rybka
>>2) Make any commercial mention (website, price)
>>
>>Further, my topic has general computer chess interest.
>>
>>How is this commercial, when (for example) the collector's corner stuff is not?
>>(Just to clarify - I have absolutely no problem with the collector's corner.
>>It's just that there will always be some brushing up with commercial issues.)
>>
>>Vas
>
>Then please clarify how this is NOT relating to commercial interest regarding
>your program:
>
>Quote
>
>"Hello,
>
>my experience with various releases over the past two months has been quite
>positive, and one of the things that I have tossing over in my mind is the idea
>of continuing a sort of "rolling release schedule" for versions of Rybka after
>1.2. Customers would pay for a subscription, rather than for a specific release.
>
>Probably, the release schedule would be on the order of once per one or two
>months.
>
>If this happens, of course existing customers will have their order turned into
>a subscription which starts when Rybka 1.2 is ready. In fact, I'd probably add
>some sort of a bonus for the early customers.
>
>There are three problematic issues:
>
>1) How to combine it in the future with CD sales.
>2) How to convince someone whose subscription period just expired to renew
>immediately, when the next update will be only marginally better than the
>previous one. Basically, in that scenario, you are selling the future.
>3) This whole approach depends on continual progress, and loses its point when
>progress comes to a crawl."
>
>End Quote
>
>You mention your program, how you can get new customers and retain old ones, and
>the differences between a release fee and a subscription fee.
>
>You then ask above to get the replies to this _before_ I removed them. I know
>the reason.. you want to see the feedback.. nothing more.
>
>Please enlighten me as to how I am wrong.
>
>Peter

Look, I don't have a serious problem with anything that happened here. This
flagrant commercial exhortation rule is still quite vague IMHO and loosely
enforced. I see on this first forum page three different people posting direct
ordering links for products.

Vas



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