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Subject: Re: Funny thing happened on the way of a Forum!

Author: Andrew Walker

Date: 14:31:33 02/15/06

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On February 15, 2006 at 06:00:49, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On February 15, 2006 at 00:57:44, Andrew Walker wrote:
>
>>On February 14, 2006 at 22:22:16, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On February 14, 2006 at 17:14:09, Albert Silver wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 14, 2006 at 16:39:50, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 14, 2006 at 16:36:32, Albert Silver wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On February 14, 2006 at 11:52:23, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On February 14, 2006 at 11:45:30, Duncan Roberts wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On February 13, 2006 at 13:48:48, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You are missing a major problem.  Many professional engine authors have posted
>>>>>>>>>here, and answered questions, and the like.  But you have _not_ seen them
>>>>>>>>>discussing marketing ideas, nor beta testing results, nor any of the other
>>>>>>>>>"behind-the-scenes" activities that go on the the life-cycle of a professional
>>>>>>>>>chess program.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's the difference here.  The discussions ventured off into the "would you
>>>>>>>>>rather pay for a single copy or a subscription to multiple updates?"  and so
>>>>>>>>>forth, which _clearly_ do not belong here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's that part of this that has gone over the top.  All the games played by
>>>>>>>>>Rybka are fine.  I can skip 'em if I am not interested, but they are about
>>>>>>>>>computer chess.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>changing the subject slightly, I would value your opinion on Rybka. Is it as
>>>>>>>>good as people say it is. ? any comments generally about its strength.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>duncan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm really the wrong one to ask.  Crafty has been on ICC sporadically the last
>>>>>>>few weeks, because of the offline testing I've been doing.  So I have not had
>>>>>>>the opportunity to watch very many games to develop an opinion about what Rybka
>>>>>>>is doing better than everyone else...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Eventually I will start looking at ICC games and then perhaps will begin to see
>>>>>>>what sort of "trends" I notice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It won't take many games to spot a few glaring ones. IMHO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Mod objection!
>>>>>Dont speak in secrets!
>>>>>Speak so that even Rolf understands what you are saying.
>>>>>Otherweise beheading should be appropriate.
>>>>>Rolf [= 5 sentences]
>>>>
>>>>:)  The secret is more in 'how' Rybka does what it does differently. Seeing part
>>>>of 'what' it does that is different from other programs won't take many games to
>>>>become visible.
>>>>
>>>>                                     Albert
>>>\
>>>
>>>I've found that the "how" is pretty easy, once the "what" is found.  There are a
>>>couple of passed pawn issues I have already noticed and even done a few changes
>>>for myself...
>>
>>We'll be closely looking at the changes section :-)
>>
>>Andrew
>
>"Would you rather pay two bucks for a single look or 120 bucks for a
>subscription to multiple looks in a month?"
>
>[Excuse me, couldnt resist... I would pay a lot for the rights to work with
>Bob's mind; it would influence me! Last time I subscribed to Madonna's gym. Now
>I can do the 'knods in my legs' thing all by myself...]

I think I know were this quote comes from. I'll be looking at Bob's changes for
my own curiosity, I doubt I'll be writing a chess engine in the next 10 years,
unless I clone that 1200 character or whatever engine someone linked to. No one
would suspect :-)

Andrew



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