Author: Chessfun
Date: 14:58:27 02/16/06
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On February 16, 2006 at 09:22:43, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On February 16, 2006 at 06:21:57, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: > >>On February 15, 2006 at 10:20:18, Zappa wrote: >> >>>So I dropped by to see how my old buddies in CCC were doing, and found a massive >>>flamewar :) This is far more to my liking than dry test results, so I thought >>>I'd weigh in with a few comments. >>> >>>The majority of members in CCC seem to be unable to think rationally about >>>Rybka. I saw the following argument about 500X: "Vasik is violating the >>>charter" "But Rybka is so awesome". Clearly this is complete idiocy. The law >>>is intended to apply to everyone equally, regardless of whether or not they have >>>an awesome engine. >>> >>>I left (and this is not a coming back post) because I didn't like reading tons >>>of testing posts. However, the majority of people here appear to like it here. >>> From what I read in the flamewar Skinner seems correct that Vasik violated the >>>charter, but perhaps rather than crucifying Vasik (or Skinner), the charter >>>should be amended so the club serves the interest of the majority. It really >>>seems like the majority of people don't mind his "commerical posts" - so what's >>>the problem? >>> >>>I also read Enrico's post on Rybka's nodecount. Vasik claimed it was the result >>>of a bug. I read that as "my node count obfuscation algorithm has a bug and >>>will be fixed posthaste". If you look at Enrico's numbers, its obvious that >>>Rybka is really searching at 2-3M+ nps on big hardware. >>> >>>So, Vasik, please tell me: why would you would want to hide the node count of >>>Rybka? >>> >>>anthony >> >> >>Interesting post. And very telling. Demands some kind of reply, at least from >>a curious member of the CCC (but surely not from Vasik, as the question you ask >>is rather impertinent and irrelevant for the masses): why wouldn't you, >>Anthony, want to release your program so that Chrilly Donninger might try his >>disassembling skills on Zappa as he did with Rybka? A reminder for you: the >>verdict was that Rybka had no other program's code in it... > >Actually i do have a few zappa world champs 2005 version here. > >It's not even close to Fruit. Evaluation of Rybka is very close to Fruit. He >added some and lobotomized other things. > >Zappa's evaluation is totally different from fruit. > >I am for example debugging a position here from a testgame from diep. >Where Diep says here +2.3 for white, Zappa says +1.0. Rybka says 0.1 there and >Fruit also says 0.1 there. As this table shows other engines like Spike 1.0 and SmarThink are far closer to Fruit than Rybka. As for Toga the numbers speak for themselves. http://kd.lab.nig.ac.jp/chess/CCRL-4040/engine-distance-table-all.shtml Sarah.
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