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Subject: Re: Question for Prof. Hyatt

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 10:06:27 02/22/06

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On February 22, 2006 at 11:47:10, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On February 22, 2006 at 11:33:17, Stuart Cracraft wrote:
>
>>[D]8/7p/5k2/5p2/p1p2P2/Pr1pPK2/1P1R3P/8 b - -
>>
>>Hi - this is WAC #2 and a position my program can't solve.
>>The solution is Rxb2.
>>
>>How to make a program solve this problem in a way that carries over
>>to the similar class of positions?
>>
>>In the printout below, score is in millipawns.
>>
>>.ts
>>position file? [wac.epd] wac.epd
>># of test positions to test? 1
>>maxtime = 99999900
>>Interrupt current ply and return move at timeout
>>Testsuite: Tests/wac.epd 1 positions
>>*** Problem   Solution(s): Rxb2 (bm)
>>-- ** -- ** -- ** -- **
>>** -- ** -- ** -- ** BP
>>-- ** -- ** -- BK -- **
>>** -- ** -- ** BP ** --
>>BP ** BP ** -- WP -- **
>>WP BR ** BP WP WK ** --
>>-- WP -- WR -- ** -- WP
>>** -- ** -- ** -- ** --
>>mv 1 stage 0, black to move, computer plays black
>>hash=a5e05373307344c6
>>0 0 0 0 0 0
>>Alpha=2627 Beta=3428 Maxdepth=9999999 MaxTime=99999900 xboard=0
>>Itr/Max  Mv Score Time    Nodes PV
>> 1/ 1> b3b2 3428  0.00        2 b3b2
>> 1/ 1  c4c3 3357  0.01       20 c4c3
>> 2/ 4< c4c3 2956  0.01       44 c4c3 d2d3
>> 2/ 4  f6g7   38  0.01      106 f6g7
>> 3/ 6  c4c3    8  0.02      493 c4c3 d2d3
>> 4/ 9  f6e7   12  0.04     1204 f6e7 f3g2 b3b6
>> 5/14  h7h5   21  0.08     3400 h7h5 f3f2 f6g7
>> 6/14> f6e6  421  0.14     6731 f6e6 f3g2 c4c3 d2d3 b3b2 g2h1
>> 6/14  f6e6  421  0.16     7677 f6e6 f3g2 c4c3 d2d3 b3b2 g2h1 h7h6
>> 7/15  c4c3   26  0.30    16084 c4c3 b2c3 b3c3 d2a2 h7h5 f3g3
>> 8/15> c4c3  426  0.43    23680 c4c3 b2c3 b3c3 d2a2 f6e6 h2h4 c3c4
>> 8/15  c4c3  934  0.60    34786 c4c3 b2c3 b3c3 d2b2 c3a3 b2b7 f6g6
>> 9/16< c4c3  533  0.89    51904 c4c3 b2c3 b3c3 d2b2 c3a3 b2b7 f6g6 b7b6 g6g7
>>b6b7 g7h8 f3g2 a3a2
>> 9/18  f6e7   15  1.90   116795 f6e7 d2d3 c4d3 h2h4 mtmt
>>10/21  b3b6   15  5.66   349319 b3b6
>>11/25  c4c3   25 20.19  1107635 c4c3 b2c3 b3c3 d2b2 c3a3 b2b7 f6g6 b7h7
>>12/29  c4c3   48 78.46  4098861 c4c3 b2c3 b3c3 e3e4 c3a3 f3e3 a3b3 d2d3 b3b2
>>13/33  b3b8   27 555.50 30561813 b3b8 e3e4 b8g8 f3e3 f5e4 e3e4 g8g4 d2d3 c4d3
>>e4d3
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Stuart
>
>Crafty gets this at depth 15 because it sees the promotion of a black pawn:
>
>              15     6.96  -2.31   1. ... c3 2. bxc3 Rxc3 3. e4 fxe4+
>                                    4. Kxe4 Rxa3 5. Rb2 Rb3 6. Rxb3 axb3
>                                    7. Kxd3 Kf5 8. Kc3 Kxf4 9. Kxb3 h6
>                                    10. Kc3
>               15    10.83     -1   1. ... Rxb2!!
>               15    11.35     -3   1. ... Rxb2!!
>               15    12.42  -3.99   1. ... Rxb2 2. Rxb2 c3 3. Rb6+ Ke7
>                                    4. Rb7+ Kd6 5. Rb6+ Kc7 6. Rb4 c2 7.
>                                    Rc4+ Kb6 8. Kg3 d2 9. Rxc2 d1=Q 10.
>                                    Rc8
>               15->  14.26  -3.99   1. ... Rxb2 2. Rxb2 c3 3. Rb6+ Ke7
>                                    4. Rb7+ Kd6 5. Rb6+ Kc7 6. Rb4 c2 7.
>                                    Rc4+ Kb6 8. Kg3 d2 9. Rxc2 d1=Q 10.
>                                    Rc8
>               16    16.39  -4.19   1. ... Rxb2 2. Rxb2 c3 3. Rb6+ Ke7
>                                    4. Kf2 c2 5. Rc6 d2 6. Rxc2 d1=Q 7.
>                                    Rc7+ Kd6 8. Rxh7 Qd2+ 9. Kf3 Qd5+ 10.
>                                    Ke2 Qa2+ 11. Kd3 Qxa3+ 12. Kd4
>
>The above on a single-cpu 2.8ghz PIV.
>
>I think this is really more about tactics than about any evaluation tricks...

seeing the 2.31 score of crafty for c3 it may be possible that c3 is also
winning.

I think that even if c3 is winning it is not alternative solution because I
expect every strong program to find Rxb2 but based on Dann Corbit it is
considered in that case as an alternative solution.

Uri



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