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Subject: Are engines 2006 really strong enought ? Rybka in troubles again.......

Author: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo

Date: 17:44:24 02/28/06

........ I wonder .......Are engines really an smart element ?

I wonder  .....

What more important is ? .....Strategic ideas or tactics ideas.... ?

Why I have won or draw to Rybka If my level is not better to 2000  ?

Is there anyone that could answer that for me ? ..... I am really
confused.....................

Thanks in advance,


Pablo


Rybka 1.01 Beta 13d: 13.9 ply; 186kN/s AMD  Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+
2188MHz, (1 threads) Rybka 1.01 Beta 13d: 13.9 ply; 186kN/s AMD  Athlon(tm) 64
Processor 3200+ 2188MHz, (1  threads)


[Event "Partida evaluada, 5m + 0s"]
[Site "Sala de máquinas"]
[Date "2006.02.28"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Father"]
[Black "Tseeley"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D00"]
[WhiteElo "2001"]
[BlackElo "2742"]
[Annotator "Restrepo,Pablo"]
[PlyCount "541"]
[EventDate "2006.01.29"]
[TimeControl "300"]

1. d4 {1} d5 {0} 2. e3 {0} Nf6 {0} 3. c3 {0} Nc6 {-0.13/13 10} 4. f4 {(Nf3) 4}
Bf5 {-0.26/12 10} 5. Nf3 {5} e6 {-0.28/12 5} 6. Bd3 {(Qb3) 4} Be7 {-0.30/12 12}
7. O-O {1} O-O {-0.27/12 8} 8. Qc2 {(Qe2) 1} Qd7 {-0.26/12 16} 9. Re1 {(Nbd2) 2
} Bxd3 {6} 10. Qxd3 {-0.31/12 0} Ne4 {-0.37/13 8} 11. Nbd2 {1} f5 {-0.39/12 1}
12. Nf1 {(Re2) 1} Rf6 {-0.43/11 8} 13. g3 {(N1d2) 1} Qe8 {-0.61/11 7} 14. Qe2 {
(N1d2) 2} Qh5 {-0.71/11 5} 15. N3d2 {(a4) 1} Qxe2 {9} 16. Rxe2 {-0.82/13 0} a5
{-0.74/13 8} 17. Nf3 {(Nxe4) 2} a4 {-0.80/13 8} 18. a3 {(N1d2) 1} Rff8 {
-0.92/12 5} 19. N3d2 {(N1d2) 1} g5 {-1.16/12 5} 20. Nf3 {(Nxe4) 1} g4 {
-1.26/11 2} 21. N3d2 {(Ne1) 1} Nd6 {-1.78/14 5} 22. Re1 {(b4) 1} Kg7 {
-1.88/14 7} 23. Kg2 {(h3) 0} Kg6 {-1.93/14 8} 24. Kg1 {(h3) 1} Bf6 {-1.95/13 6}
25. Kg2 {16} Na5 {-1.90/15 8} 26. Kg1 {(Rb1) 1} h5 {-1.98/12 5} 27. Kg2 {(h3) 2
} Rh8 {-2.17/13 4} 28. Kg1 {(h4) 0} h4 {-2.32/14 4} 29. Re2 {(Kg2) 1} Rh7 {
-2.35/13 4} 30. Rg2 {(Rf2) 1} Rah8 {-2.34/13 6} 31. Kf2 {(gxh4) 3} hxg3+ {
-2.76/11 1} 32. hxg3 {1} Nc6 {-2.73/13 3} 33. Kg1 {(Rg1) 1} Rh1+ {-2.73/10 1}
34. Kf2 {1} b6 {-2.73/13 2} 35. Rg1 {1} R1h3 {-2.72/14 3} 36. Rg2 {(Rb1) 1}
R8h7 {-2.73/13 4} 37. Kg1 {(Rb1) 1} Rh1+ {-2.73/13 2} 38. Kf2 {1} Na5 {
-2.72/14 3} 39. Rg1 {1} R1h3 {-2.73/15 2} 40. Rg2 {(Kg2) 1} Rh8 {-2.72/13 3}
41. Kg1 {1} Rh1+ {-2.72/13 0} 42. Kf2 {1} Nb5 {-2.72/14 2} 43. Rg1 {1} R1h7 {
-2.72/14 1} 44. Rg2 {(Rb1) 1} Rh6 {-2.72/13 7} 45. Kg1 {1} Rh1+ {-2.73/14 0}
46. Kf2 {1} Nd6 {-2.73/15 7} 47. Rg1 {1} R1h3 {-2.73/15 2} 48. Rg2 {(Rb1) 1}
R8h7 {-2.72/14 2} 49. Kg1 {(Rg1) 1} Rh1+ {-2.72/14 3} 50. Kf2 {1} R7h5 {
-2.72/15 4} 51. Rg1 {(Rb1) 1} R1h3 {-2.72/15 2} 52. Rg2 {1} Rh6 {-2.72/15 2}
53. Kg1 {(Rg1) 1} Rh1+ {-2.72/13 1} 54. Kf2 {1} Nc6 {-2.72/15 1} 55. Rg1 {1}
R1h3 {-2.72/14 0} 56. Rg2 {1} R3h5 {-2.72/12 1} 57. Kg1 {(Rb1) 1} Rh1+ {
-2.72/12 2} 58. Kf2 {1} Rh7 {-2.71/12 1} 59. Rg1 {(Rb1) 1} R1h3 {-2.72/14 1}
60. Rg2 {(Kg2) 1} Nb5 {-2.72/11 1} 61. Kg1 {(Rb1) 1} Rh1+ {-2.70/10 1} 62. Kf2
{1} Na5 {-2.73/13 0} 63. Rg1 {1} R1h3 {-2.73/14 1} 64. Rg2 {1} R3h5 {-2.72/12 0
} 65. Kg1 {1} Rh1+ {-2.71/11 0} 66. Kf2 {1} R7h6 {-2.72/12 1} 67. Rg1 {1} R1h5
{-2.73/14 0} 68. Rg2 {1} Rh3 {-2.72/13 3} 69. Kg1 {(Rg1) 1} Rh1+ {-2.73/10 0}
70. Kf2 {1} Nd6 {-2.72/14 0} 71. Rg1 {1} R1h3 {-2.72/13 0} 72. Rg2 {1} c6 {
-2.71/12 1} 73. Kg1 {(Rb1) 1} Rh1+ {-2.73/11 1} 74. Kf2 {1} c5 {-2.71/13 0} 75.
Rg1 {(Rb1) 1} R1h3 {-2.71/11 1} 76. Rg2 {1} R6h5 {-2.71/11 1} 77. Kg1 {(Rb1) 1}
Rh1+ {-2.73/10 1} 78. Kf2 {1} Rh8 {-2.71/12 0} 79. Rg1 {1} R1h3 {-2.71/13 0}
80. Rg2 {(Rb1) 1} Nb5 {-2.71/10 1} 81. Kg1 {(Rg1) 1} Rh1+ {-2.71/8 0} 82. Kf2 {
1} Nc6 {-2.71/11 0} 83. Rg1 {1} R1h5 {-2.71/13 0} 84. Rg2 {(Rb1) 1} Nd6 {
-2.71/11 1} 85. Kg1 {(Rb1) 1} Rh1+ {-2.73/7 0} 86. Kf2 {1} R8h7 {-2.70/10 0}
87. Rg1 {1} R1h3 {-2.71/12 0} 88. Rg2 {(Rb1) 1} R3h6 {-2.71/9 0} 89. Kg1 {
(Rb1) 0} Rh1+ {-2.73/7 0} 90. Kf2 {0} Rh8 {-2.71/11 0} 91. Rg1 {(Rb1) 1} R1h6 {
-2.71/9 0} 92. Rg2 {(Rb1) 0} Na5 {-2.71/10 0} 93. Kg1 {(Rb1) 1} Rh1+ {-2.71/8 0
} 94. Kf2 {1} R8h7 {-2.71/13 0} 95. Rg1 {(Rb1) 1} R1h6 {-2.71/11 1} 96. Rg2 {1}
Rh5 {-2.71/13 0} 97. Kg1 {(Rb1) 1} Rh1+ {-2.71/9 0} 98. Kf2 {1} Nb5 {-2.71/13 0
} 99. Rg1 {1} R1h3 {-2.71/13 0} 100. Rg2 {1} R7h5 {-2.67/12 3} 101. Kg1 {
(Rb1) 1} Rh1+ {-2.70/8 0} 102. Kf2 {1} Rh6 {-2.71/12 0} 103. Rg1 {1} R1h5 {
-2.71/14 0} 104. Rg2 {1} Nd6 {-2.71/13 0} 105. Kg1 {(Rb1) 0} Rh1+ {-2.68/7 0}
106. Kf2 {1} R6h5 {-2.69/12 0} 107. Rg1 {1} R1h3 {-2.70/12 0} 108. Rg2 {1} Kg7
{-2.70/11 0} 109. Kg1 {(Ke1) 1} Rh1+ {-2.68/7 0} 110. Kf2 {1} Rh8 {-2.70/12 0}
111. Rg1 {0} R1h5 {-2.71/12 0} 112. Rg2 {1} R5h7 {-2.71/13 0} 113. Kg1 {(Rg1) 1
} Rh1+ {-2.70/6 0} 114. Kf2 {1} Kf7 {-2.69/11 0} 115. Rg1 {(Rb1) 1} R1h3 {
-2.71/8 0} 116. Rg2 {(Rb1) 0} Nb5 {-2.69/7 0} 117. Kg1 {(Rb1) 1} Rh1+ {
-2.71/8 0} 118. Kf2 {1} Kg6 {-2.71/12 0} 119. Rg1 {(Rb1) 1} R1h6 {-2.70/10 1}
120. Rg2 {(Rb1) 1} Kg7 {-2.65/7 0} 121. Kg1 {(Rb1) 0} Nc6 {-2.57/7 0} 122. Rh2
{8} Rxh2 {-2.35/15 0} 123. Nxh2 {1} Kg6 {-2.35/14 0} 124. Nhf1 {0} Rh5 {
-2.35/13 0} 125. Kg2 {(Kf2) 1} Rh6 {-2.35/10 0} 126. Kg1 {(Kf2) 1} Rh7 {
-2.35/10 0} 127. Kg2 {(Rb1) 0} Rh5 {-2.35/10 0} 128. Kg1 {(Nh2) 1} Rh8 {
-2.35/8 0} 129. Kg2 {(Rb1) 0} Na5 {-2.35/6 0} 130. Kg1 {(Kf2) 1} Nd6 {-2.35/7 0
} 131. Kg2 {(Rb1) 1} Rh7 {-2.37/7 0} 132. Kg1 {(Rb1) 1} Nb5 {-2.35/8 0} 133.
Kg2 {(Rb1) 1} Nb7 {-2.35/6 0} 134. Kg1 {(Nh2) 1} Rh3 {-2.36/8 0} 135. Kg2 {1}
Rh5 {-2.34/13 0} 136. Kg1 {(Rb1) 1} N7d6 {-2.38/4 0} 137. Kg2 {0} Rh6 {
-2.35/13 0} 138. Kg1 {(Kf2) 1} Rh3 {-2.35/8 0} 139. Kg2 {1} Rh5 {-2.35/14 0}
140. Rb1 {(Kf2) 1} Rh7 {-2.36/6 0} 141. Ra1 {1} Kf7 {-2.35/14 0} 142. Kg1 {
(Kf2) 2} Rh8 {-2.35/8 0} 143. Kg2 {(Kf2) 0} Rh6 {-2.36/5 0} 144. Kg1 {(Kf2) 1}
Kg6 {-2.35/7 0} 145. Kg2 {0} Kg7 {-2.35/15 0} 146. Kg1 {(Kf2) 1} Rh3 {-2.38/4 0
} 147. Kg2 {(Kf2) 1} Rh5 {-2.35/6 0} 148. Kg1 {(Kf2) 1} Rh6 {-2.35/4 0} 149.
Kg2 {(Kf2) 1} Rh7 {-2.32/5 0} 150. Kg1 {(Kf2) 1} Rh5 {-2.35/5 0} 151. Kg2 {1}
Rh8 {-2.35/15 0} 152. Kg1 {1} Kg6 {-2.35/14 0} 153. Kg2 {(Rb1) 1} Kf7 {
-2.34/4 0} 154. Kg1 {(Rb1) 1} Kg7 {-2.34/5 0} 155. Kg2 {1} Kh6 {-2.35/14 0}
156. Kg1 {(Rb1) 1} Kh7 {-2.34/7 0} 157. Kg2 {(Kh1) 1} Kg6 {-2.25/3 0} 158. Kg1
{(Kf2) 0} Na7 {-2.40/6 0} 159. Kg2 {(Rb1) 1} Nc6 {-2.35/8 0} 160. Kg1 {(Rb1) 1}
Rh7 {-2.35/4 0} 161. Kg2 {1} c4 {-2.34/11 0} 162. Kg1 {(Nh2) 1} Rh3 {-2.34/7 0}
163. Kg2 {0} Rh5 {-2.34/14 0} 164. Ra2 {(Nh2) 1} Rh7 {-2.34/8 0} 165. Ra1 {
(Nh2) 0} Na5 {-2.34/7 0} 166. Rb1 {(Nh2) 2} Rh8 {-2.34/6 0} 167. Ra1 {1} Rh5 {
-2.34/17 0} 168. Kg1 {(Ra2) 1} Nc6 {-2.34/7 0} 169. Kg2 {0} Rh6 {-2.34/17 0}
170. Kg1 {(Nh2) 0} b5 {-2.33/3 0} 171. Kg2 {(Kf2) 1} Rh5 {-2.31/4 0} 172. Kg1 {
(Rb1) 0} Rh3 {-2.31/8 0} 173. Kg2 {(Kf2) 0} Rh6 {-2.34/3 0} 174. Kg1 {(Nh2) 1}
Rh7 {-2.30/8 0} 175. Kg2 {0} Na5 {-2.31/15 0} 176. Kg1 {(Kf2) 0} Rh8 {-2.31/8 0
} 177. Kg2 {(Ra2) 1} Kf7 {-2.31/6 0} 178. Kg1 {0} Nc6 {-2.31/17 0} 179. Kg2 {
(Kf2) 0} Rh5 {-2.31/6 0} 180. Kg1 {(Kf2) 0} Kg7 {-2.31/4 0} 181. Kg2 {0} Na5 {
-2.31/14 0} 182. Kg1 {(Nh2) 1} Rh8 {-2.31/4 0} 183. Kg2 {(Ra2) 0} Bd8 {
-2.31/6 0} 184. Kg1 {(Kf2) 1} Kg6 {-2.31/8 0} 185. Kg2 {(Kf2) 1} Rh7 {-2.30/6 0
} 186. Kg1 {(Nh2) 1} Rh6 {-2.30/5 0} 187. Kg2 {1} Bf6 {-2.30/15 0} 188. Kg1 {
(Rb1) 1} Rh7 {-2.31/8 0} 189. Kg2 {(Ra2) 0} Bg7 {-2.31/6 0} 190. Kg1 {(Kf2) 0}
Nc6 {-2.31/6 0} 191. Kg2 {(Kf2) 0} Bf6 {-2.28/6 0} 192. Kg1 {(Nh2) 1} Rh5 {
-2.31/8 0} 193. Kg2 {0} Na5 {-2.31/16 0} 194. Kg1 {1} Be7 {-2.29/15 0} 195. Kg2
{0} Rh8 {-2.30/15 0} 196. Kg1 {(Nh2) 1} Nc6 {-2.31/8 0} 197. Kg2 {1} Bf6 {
-2.31/14 0} 198. Kg1 {(Ra2) 0} Ne8 {-2.33/5 0} 199. Kg2 {0} Be7 {-2.06/13 0}
200. Kg1 {(Nh2) 1} Nf6 {-2.32/6 0} 201. Kg2 {(Kf2) 0} Kf7 {-2.29/5 0} 202. Kg1
{(Rb1) 0} Bf8 {-2.32/6 0} 203. Kg2 {(Ra2) 0} Bd6 {-2.32/6 0} 204. Kg1 {1} Rh6 {
-2.29/15 0} 205. Kg2 {(Nh2) 1} Kg6 {-2.29/8 0} 206. Kg1 {1} Rh8 {-2.29/15 0}
207. Kg2 {0} Rh7 {-2.29/14 0} 208. Kg1 {(Nh2) 1} Rh3 {-2.29/10 0} 209. Kg2 {1}
Rh8 {-2.29/15 0} 210. Kg1 {1} Bc7 {-2.29/15 0} 211. Kg2 {(Nh2) 1} Kh6 {
-2.25/4 0} 212. Kg1 {1} Na5 {-2.29/15 0} 213. Kg2 {(Kf2) 1} Kg7 {0.01/0 0} 214.
Kg1 {(Ra2) 0} Kg6 {-2.29/5 0} 215. Kg2 {1} Bd6 {-2.19/9 0} 216. Kg1 {(Nh2) 1}
Kg7 {-2.29/3 0} 217. Kg2 {1} Kf8 {-1.93/10 0} 218. Kg1 {(Nh2) 1} Kf7 {-1.80/4 0
} 219. Kg2 {(Nh2) 1} Nb3 {-1.60/4 0} 220. Rb1 {(Nxb3) 1} Nxd2 {-1.69/6 0} 221.
Bxd2 {(Nxd2) 5} Nd7 {-1.29/9 0} 222. Be1 {2} Nb8 {-1.06/15 0} 223. Ra1 {(Nd2) 1
} Rh7 {-1.35/4 0} 224. Kg1 {(Nd2) 1} Nc6 {-1.32/5 0} 225. Kg2 {1} Ke8 {
-1.06/15 0} 226. Kg1 {(Nd2) 1} Ke7 {0.01/0 0} 227. Kg2 {(Nd2) 1} Rh5 {-1.07/8 0
} 228. Kg1 {(Nd2) 1} Rh8 {-1.28/8 0} 229. Kg2 {(Nd2) 0} Kd7 {-1.28/8 0} 230.
Kg1 {(Nd2) 0} Kc7 {-1.32/5 0} 231. Kg2 {(Nd2) 0} Kb6 {-1.28/6 0} 232. Kg1 {
(Nd2) 0} Rh3 {-1.32/5 0} 233. Kg2 {(Nd2) 1} Rh7 {-1.24/6 0} 234. Kg1 {(Nd2) 0}
Bf8 {-1.28/6 0} 235. Kg2 {0} Bg7 {-1.05/14 0} 236. Kg1 {(Nd2) 1} Bf6 {-1.21/7 0
} 237. Kg2 {(Nd2) 0} Rh8 {-1.09/7 0} 238. Kg1 {(Nd2) 1} Be7 {0.01/0 0} 239. Kg2
{(Nd2) 0} Nb8 {-1.28/6 0} 240. Kg1 {(Nd2) 1} Nd7 {0.01/0 0} 241. Kg2 {0} Bd6 {
0.01/0 0} 242. Kg1 {1} Nf6 {0.01/0 0} 243. Kg2 {0} Kb7 {-1.22/5 0} 244. Kg1 {
(Nd2) 1} Rh7 {-1.26/6 0} 245. Kg2 {(Nd2) 1} Kb6 {-0.91/7 0} 246. Kg1 {(Nd2) 1}
Ne4 {0.01/0 0} 247. Kg2 {1} Be7 {-1.16/7 0} 248. Ra2 {(Nd2) 1} Nd6 {-1.28/6 0}
249. Ra1 {(Nd2) 1} Rh8 {-1.07/8 0} 250. Ra2 {(Nd2) 1} Bf6 {-1.20/8 0} 251. Ra1
{(Nd2) 1} Kb7 {-1.22/5 0} 252. Ra2 {(Nd2) 1} Rh3 {-1.09/8 0} 253. Ra1 {(Nd2) 1}
Kc7 {-1.07/8 0} 254. Ra2 {(Nd2) 1} Rh7 {-1.14/7 0} 255. Ra1 {(Nd2) 1} Ne4 {
-1.07/8 0} 256. Ra2 {(Nd2) 2} Kc6 {-1.09/8 0} 257. Ra1 {(Nd2) 1} Rh8 {-1.05/7 0
} 258. Ra2 {(Nd2) 1} Be7 {-1.29/4 0} 259. Ra1 {(Nd2) 1} Bf8 {-1.22/6 0} 260.
Ra2 {(Nd2) 1} Nf6 {-1.19/8 0} 261. Ra1 {(Nd2) 1} Nh5 {-1.05/7 0} 262. Ra2 {
(Nd2) 1} Bd6 {0.01/0 0} 263. Ra1 {(Nd2) 1} Nf6 {-1.10/7 0} 264. Ra2 {(Nd2) 1}
Kd7 {-1.28/8 0} 265. Ra1 {(Nd2) 1} Ke7 {-1.02/9 0} 266. Ra2 {(Nd2) 1} Kf7 {
-1.31/4 0} 267. Ra1 {(Nd2) 1} Ne4 {-1.10/8 0} 268. Ra2 {(Nd2) 1} Be7 {-1.24/7 0
} 269. Ra1 {(Nd2) 1} Kg6 {0.01/0 0} 270. Ra2 {1} Nd6 {-1.31/4 0} 271. Ra1 {
(Nd2) 1} 1/2-1/2

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Out of interest... James Constance 05:34:49 03/01/06
- Sure ....many times algorithm have been crazy and engines had chekmate Pablo Ignacio Restrepo 09:28:10 03/01/06
Re: Are engines 2006 really strong enought ? Rybka in troubles again....... mike schoonover 04:51:40 03/01/06
Re: Are engines 2006 really strong enought ? Rybka in troubles again....... James T. Walker 04:17:54 03/01/06
- James... I would like to play like Rybka. ...... Pablo Ignacio Restrepo 04:45:14 03/01/06
Are you sure.......... stuart taylor 03:24:40 03/01/06
- I am 100% sure Stuart. That was a draw, other have been victories.. Pablo Ignacio Restrepo 03:37:36 03/01/06
  - Re: win on time or checkmate victories? :-) (NT) David Dahlem 05:50:50 03/01/06
    - David.Usually win on time, checkmate by stress, and interfase blocked. Pablo Ignacio Restrepo 09:30:07 03/01/06
Re: Are engines 2006 really strong enought ? Rybka in troubles again... Peter Skinner 20:22:38 02/28/06
- Peter. I hope to see next Rybkas and Chessbase engines been quite ok .. Pablo Ignacio Restrepo 03:41:47 03/01/06
- Re: Are engines 2006 really strong enought ? Rybka in troubles again... Vikrant Malvankar 22:08:22 02/28/06
  - All engines that are loosing against me have not a tottal G.M. level Pablo Ignacio Restrepo 03:48:17 03/01/06
  - Re: Are engines 2006 really strong enought ? Rybka in troubles again... Peter Skinner 23:36:30 02/28/06
    - Peter. Agreed . Chess Tiger Gambit 3.0 and old Craftys. Great examples Pablo Ignacio Restrepo 03:50:11 03/01/06
    - Re: Are engines 2006 really strong enought ? Rybka in troubles again... Francesco Di Tolla 03:14:43 03/01/06
      - Francesco. Anti-chess is pure Chess, that is in persecution by ICC.. Pablo Ignacio Restrepo 04:02:07 03/01/06
    - Re: Are engines 2006 really strong enought ? Rybka in troubles again... Robert Hollay 01:09:36 03/01/06
      - "Comp Quark" is the bestone of all............. Pablo Ignacio Restrepo 04:04:36 03/01/06
    - Re: Are engines 2006 really strong enought ? Rybka in troubles again... Vikrant Malvankar 00:22:56 03/01/06
      - Re: Are engines 2006 really strong enought ? Rybka in troubles again... Peter Skinner 00:49:04 03/01/06
        
        Re: Are engines 2006 really strong enought ? Rybka in troubles again... Vikrant Malvankar 02:42:08 03/01/06
        
        Re: Are engines 2006 really strong enought ? Rybka in troubles again... Vikrant Malvankar 02:42:01 03/01/06
  - Re: Are engines 2006 really strong enought ? Rybka in troubles again... Greg Simpson 23:15:44 02/28/06
    - Greg. ... Time to be building an ANTICHESS ENGINE. A killer machine!!!!! Pablo Ignacio Restrepo 04:10:01 03/01/06
    - Re: Are engines 2006 really strong enought ? Rybka in troubles again... Mark Boylan 23:24:19 02/28/06
      - Mark !!!!!! Agree. !!!!!....>An anti-engine chess engine, I love it too! Pablo Ignacio Restrepo 04:11:47 03/01/06
      - Re: Are engines 2006 really strong enought ? Rybka in troubles again... Vikrant Malvankar 00:35:17 03/01/06
Re: Are engines 2006 really strong enought ? Rybka in troubles again... Jay Urbanski 19:12:31 02/28/06
Re: Are engines 2006 really strong enought ? Rybka in troubles again... Telmo C. Escobar 18:03:11 02/28/06
- Re: Are engines 2006 really strong enought ? Rybka in troubles again... Mark Boylan 18:12:55 02/28/06

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