Author: giovanni lavorgna
Date: 05:34:53 03/01/06
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On February 28, 2006 at 16:52:46, Uri Blass wrote: >On February 28, 2006 at 16:16:24, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On February 28, 2006 at 11:08:29, giovanni lavorgna wrote: >> >>>On February 28, 2006 at 09:44:32, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On February 28, 2006 at 00:38:17, Swaminathan wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 27, 2006 at 22:50:59, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On February 27, 2006 at 22:39:25, Fernando Villegas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>It is delightful to see your discipline, dedication and tireless concentration >>>>>>>as if you was a 21 years kid trying to get his piece of fame. >>>>>>>Inspiration for me, too much prone to talk of "finished life" because I am 57. >>>>>>>My best >>>>>>>fernando >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>we are exactly the same age, until march 18 comes around. Then I become 58. :) >>>>> >>>>>so do you believe that teenagers or people aged arund 20-30 have good memory and >>>>>skills than grand fathers when it comes to programming and playing? >>>> >>>>No. I believe "experience helps".. and there is only _one_ way to get >>>>experience... >>> >>> >>> >>>Tough I agree to same extent to this statement made by Crafty author, it should >>>be noted that chess strength, at least as meaured by Elo rating, *is* inversely >>>related to age. > >This is not correct. >I know no world champion who is under 20 years old. > This is exactlt what I mean. Please have a look at the curves of strength vs age of strong human players, reported on page 18 in the following pdf file (sorry for the italian text). The curves have almost all an ascending phase at young age and a descending phase at later age: http://www.cs.unibo.it/~cianca/wwwpages/seminari/2001camerino.pdf There are a few case where the line doesn't drop, like in Alekine case, but we all know the reason for this. >I also believe that most humans can improve in chess even at the age of 60 if >they decide that it is important for them and the main problem is that they have >not enough motivation to do it. > >It may be not correct for people who invest most of their day in chess for years >even at the age of 60 but most players are not professional. > Of course, I am talking only about cases where ratings have been solidly measured. I could report some anectodal cases too from my experience of club player, but they wouldn't add much to this discussion. > I remember I have seen some pretty impressive plots of age vs >>>Elo for several players..those told me something. >>> >>>Giovanni >> >>The question is, is that same relationship good for writing programs? Something >>tells me "no". Yes an older person will have more mental lapses in a >>heavy-concentration activity like GM-level chess. But take a different angle: >>You are about to have a heart-lung transplant. You can choose doctor A, who is >>60 years old and who has done 30,000 of these transplants over his career, or >>you can choose doctor B, who is 28 years old and just out of his surgical >>residency. Which one would you choose? For me that's a no-brainer. :) >> >>Give me that experience any time... > >There is one difference. > >A doctor cannot start getting experience at young age. >A programmer can start getting experience at young age. > >I agree that time of experience is a factor if you have little experience but >after you have enough experience it is not an important factor and even in your >example I may prefer doctor C who is 40 years old and has done 10,000 of these >transplants over his career. > >Uri
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