Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 13:41:25 03/01/06
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On March 01, 2006 at 15:17:52, Chris Whitty wrote: >On March 01, 2006 at 11:09:54, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >Some strange Vincent Droopy inventions which have been passed on to me for >correction. > >For some strange reason Vincent likes to write manufactured nonsense about me. I >can't account for his fantasy but will, if alerted, set the record straight. >Thanks for your time and patience. And this constitutes "headline news" in your world? :) > >Details below: > >>On March 01, 2006 at 06:28:02, Tord Romstad wrote: >> >>>On March 01, 2006 at 05:56:29, Richard Pijl wrote: >>> >>>>Current FIDE rating between brackets: >>>> >>>>Johannes Zwanzger (2346) >>> >>>Yes, I forgot Johannes -- Thanks for reminding me! Strange that I would >>>forget him and not one of the others, when Johannes is the only one I have >>>met in person. >>> >>>Perhaps one could argue that Johannes doesn't quite qualify as a "top >>>programmer" yet, but the same could be said about Chris Whittington. >> >>Chris never had any FIDE rating AFAIK, which would mean he's for sure < 2000 >>rated. Last time i saw him play was in 1997 of course, he was about 1800 rated >>back then. Perhaps he was strong in the past, who knows? > >The last time "Chris" played chess was in 1971, not that long after winning a >weekend tournament against a previous British Champion (Ilford and Phillips). >First prize was given out by Harry Golombek. At that time UK chess was measured >in BCF points (British Chess Federation) and "Chris's" final grade after >competing in his last weekend tournement (Folkestone) was BCF 221. BCF 220 >equates to FIDE 2400, I believe. At that time 2400 was International Master >level. > >"Chris" then quit chess, got a job and did not play chess again. No weekend >tournaments, no chess leagues, no friendly chess. No chess as of 1971. Until >2005. > >Vincent could not possibly have seen "Chris" play in 1997 for the simple reason >that "Chris" didn't play chess (not to mention also avoided Vincent like the >plague in any case), didn't play fun chess, didn't do any chess anywhere near >Vincent or anywhere else. > >Two fantasy lies from Vincent. An impossible claim to have "seen him play", and >an impossible "rating assessment". > >For Vincent's information (but I'm sure he won't let the facts trouble him) >"Chris" now (since 2005) plays correspondence chess without a computer and has a >rating on the relevent server of 2600 (whatever that means) which is apparently >in the 97th percentile (whatever that means). But between 1971 and 2005, >nothing, no chess at all. > >Why do you have this need to invent lies, Vincent? Not the first time, is it? > >If I had to hazard a guess, I'ld say because you're an abject failure and need >to knock those more successful than yourself? Hmmm? > >Probably time to take on Hyatt again for you. > >Bye-bye Vincent. please... surely you can find a better suggestion than that... :) > > > > >> >>Yet in order to make a chess engine i feel the rating strength of a programmer >>is not most important. Analytical insight in chess is more interesting to have. >>In that area most European programmers have a major advantage to the rest of the >>world. >> >>Take for example Richard Pijl: >> 2400 7704389 Pijl R.L. M 1776 29- >> >>This national rating is about 2076 USCF or 1900 British rating. >>So considerable less than the list quoted above. >> >>Because Richard plays already whole his life in Dutch league, his positional and >>strategical knowledge of the game is much bigger than for example Anthony >>Cozzie. >> >>This where in a straight duel between Anthony and Richard, Richard really has no >>chance at all. Anthony is at least 2150 European rating. Or that translates to >>champion of some major city in USA :) >> >>IMHO the first basic skill you need is to be a very good programmer who is >>extremely good in debugging and who *wants* to debug his program. >> >>Only far after that comes the question: "do you *want* to implement more >>chessknowledge?". >> >>If the answer to that is 'yes', then having more positional/strategical >>knowledge doesn't hurt obviously. >> >>Most players who are 2000 rated and once in their life played the highest >>leagues, they all basically are strategically and positionally more than skilled >>enough to analyze the real problem. >> >>>I also expect Jonny to continue to improve rapidly, and it wouldn't >>>surprise me if it is one of the very best in a year or two. >>>Tord >> >>It would be wrong to not qualify Johannes as a top programmer. >> >>For example his engine has quite some knowledge and gets far over 2 million >>nodes a second single cpu at 2.2Ghz and it searches quite deep. >> >>Crafty 20.1 here for example gets with the 64 bits compile i downloaded from the >>web, at my 2.4Ghz dual opteron dual core, if i run it single core it gets only >>in a few positions 1.6 million nps here, and it has just a small subset of the >>knowledge which Jonny has! >> >>Please note that the ratings shown by the 'top programmers' above, that this >>rating is in no compare to the rating of a bit stronger GM. >> >>If i play for example some bullet against Smeets or l'Ami, then usually i take 2 >>minutes and give them 1. >> >>I lose nearly all games, meanwhile they are snacking and discussing the plans >>for the coming tournaments. Both of them are around 2550 now in terms of FIDE. >> >>So in absolute sense seen, not a single chessprogrammer is rated very high. >> >>We are utmost weak in chess ourselves. >> >>Vincent
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