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Subject: Re: Correction of more Vincent nonsense

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 13:41:25 03/01/06

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On March 01, 2006 at 15:17:52, Chris Whitty wrote:

>On March 01, 2006 at 11:09:54, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>Some strange Vincent Droopy inventions which have been passed on to me for
>correction.
>
>For some strange reason Vincent likes to write manufactured nonsense about me. I
>can't account for his fantasy but will, if alerted, set the record straight.
>Thanks for your time and patience.

And this constitutes "headline news" in your world?

:)


>
>Details below:
>
>>On March 01, 2006 at 06:28:02, Tord Romstad wrote:
>>
>>>On March 01, 2006 at 05:56:29, Richard Pijl wrote:
>>>
>>>>Current FIDE rating between brackets:
>>>>
>>>>Johannes Zwanzger (2346)
>>>
>>>Yes, I forgot Johannes -- Thanks for reminding me!  Strange that I would
>>>forget him and not one of the others, when Johannes is the only one I have
>>>met in person.
>>>
>>>Perhaps one could argue that Johannes doesn't quite qualify as a "top
>>>programmer" yet, but the same could be said about Chris Whittington.
>>
>>Chris never had any FIDE rating AFAIK, which would mean he's for sure < 2000
>>rated. Last time i saw him play was in 1997 of course, he was about 1800 rated
>>back then. Perhaps he was strong in the past, who knows?
>
>The last time "Chris" played chess was in 1971, not that long after winning a
>weekend tournament against a previous British Champion (Ilford and Phillips).
>First prize was given out by Harry Golombek. At that time UK chess was measured
>in BCF points (British Chess Federation) and "Chris's" final grade after
>competing in his last weekend tournement (Folkestone) was BCF 221. BCF 220
>equates to FIDE 2400, I believe. At that time 2400 was International Master
>level.
>
>"Chris" then quit chess, got a job and did not play chess again. No weekend
>tournaments, no chess leagues, no friendly chess. No chess as of 1971. Until
>2005.
>
>Vincent could not possibly have seen "Chris" play in 1997 for the simple reason
>that "Chris" didn't play chess (not to mention also avoided Vincent like the
>plague in any case), didn't play fun chess, didn't do any chess anywhere near
>Vincent or anywhere else.
>
>Two fantasy lies from Vincent. An impossible claim to have "seen him play", and
>an impossible "rating assessment".
>
>For Vincent's information (but I'm sure he won't let the facts trouble him)
>"Chris" now (since 2005) plays correspondence chess without a computer and has a
>rating on the relevent server of 2600 (whatever that means) which is apparently
>in the 97th percentile (whatever that means). But between 1971 and 2005,
>nothing, no chess at all.
>
>Why do you have this need to invent lies, Vincent? Not the first time, is it?
>
>If I had to hazard a guess, I'ld say because you're an abject failure and need
>to knock those more successful than yourself? Hmmm?
>
>Probably time to take on Hyatt again for you.
>
>Bye-bye Vincent.

please...  surely you can find a better suggestion than that...


:)


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>>
>>Yet in order to make a chess engine i feel the rating strength of a programmer
>>is not most important. Analytical insight in chess is more interesting to have.
>>In that area most European programmers have a major advantage to the rest of the
>>world.
>>
>>Take for example Richard Pijl:
>>  2400 7704389 Pijl                R.L.              M 1776  29-
>>
>>This national rating is about 2076 USCF or 1900 British rating.
>>So considerable less than the list quoted above.
>>
>>Because Richard plays already whole his life in Dutch league, his positional and
>>strategical knowledge of the game is much bigger than for example Anthony
>>Cozzie.
>>
>>This where in a straight duel between Anthony and Richard, Richard really has no
>>chance at all. Anthony is at least 2150 European rating. Or that translates to
>>champion of some major city in USA :)
>>
>>IMHO the first basic skill you need is to be a very good programmer who is
>>extremely good in debugging and who *wants* to debug his program.
>>
>>Only far after that comes the question: "do you *want* to implement more
>>chessknowledge?".
>>
>>If the answer to that is 'yes', then having more positional/strategical
>>knowledge doesn't hurt obviously.
>>
>>Most players who are 2000 rated and once in their life played the highest
>>leagues, they all basically are strategically and positionally more than skilled
>>enough to analyze the real problem.
>>
>>>I also expect Jonny to continue to improve rapidly, and it wouldn't
>>>surprise me if it is one of the very best in a year or two.
>>>Tord
>>
>>It would be wrong to not qualify Johannes as a top programmer.
>>
>>For example his engine has quite some knowledge and gets far over 2 million
>>nodes a second single cpu at 2.2Ghz and it searches quite deep.
>>
>>Crafty 20.1 here for example gets with the 64 bits compile i downloaded from the
>>web, at my 2.4Ghz dual opteron dual core, if i run it single core it gets only
>>in a few positions 1.6 million nps here, and it has just a small subset of the
>>knowledge which Jonny has!
>>
>>Please note that the ratings shown by the 'top programmers' above, that this
>>rating is in no compare to the rating of a bit stronger GM.
>>
>>If i play for example some bullet against Smeets or l'Ami, then usually i take 2
>>minutes and give them 1.
>>
>>I lose nearly all games, meanwhile they are snacking and discussing the plans
>>for the coming tournaments. Both of them are around 2550 now in terms of FIDE.
>>
>>So in absolute sense seen, not a single chessprogrammer is rated very high.
>>
>>We are utmost weak in chess ourselves.
>>
>>Vincent



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