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Subject: Re: late move reductions

Author: Dezhi Zhao

Date: 14:16:52 03/02/06

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On March 02, 2006 at 11:40:51, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On March 02, 2006 at 00:48:59, Dezhi Zhao wrote:
>
>>On March 01, 2006 at 15:51:29, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>I increment the fail high count by 100 each time a move fails high.  I also
>>>increment the tried count by 1 at the same time.  Any time another move fails
>>>high, and this move was tried but did not, its tried count gets incremented,
>>>which lowers the "failed high percentage" significantly...
>>>
>>>sort of:
>>>
>>>if failed_high(x)
>>>   x.count++
>>>   x.fh+=100
>>>
>>>if failed_high (y) (later)
>>>   y.count++
>>>   y.fh+=100
>>>   if (tried(x)) x.count++
>>>
>>>Hope that makes what I am doing clearer, whether it is good or bad is not
>>>certain yet...
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>why not keep it simple?!
>>
>>Suppose x is any move we just searched.
>>
>>x.count++
>>if failed_high(x)
>>   x.fh+=100
>
>That grossly biases the statistic downward.  You can either count:
>
>(a) times a move was searched anywhere vs the number of times it failed high
>(that ratio will likely be very high, as fail-highs are not that common)
>
>(b) times a move was searched and didn't fail high when another move did, vs the
>number of times it was searched and did fail high.  That seems to be a more
>useful comparison, because now we can say "something failed high, but not this
>move..."
>
>In case (a) there are plenty of times when all moves fail low, particularly when
>move ordering is very good.  And the count value will be very high, but the fh
>count will be very low.  That would say this is an ok move to reduce.  In case
>(b) if something fails high but this move doesn't, then that is more useful to
>know how many times that happened vs the cases where this move failed high
>itself.
>
>Intuitively it seems better.  Whether it actually is or not has not been tested
>by me (yet).

As for (b) approach, it seems to me that you're trying to get some locality out
of a global killer (or history) table.

This is somewhat foreign to history table. If results of (b) are not much better
than (a), you may have a good reason to consider the history killer table I
mentioned in another post in this thread:)



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