Author: blass uri
Date: 05:28:30 04/21/99
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On April 21, 1999 at 06:13:13, Harald Faber wrote: >On April 21, 1999 at 05:18:49, blass uri wrote: > > >>>What is the best positional test for chess programs? > >I don't know. The problem is the best move. Who tells and confirms the best >POSITIONAL move? I hear many guys crying "but there is (at least) another good >move which may not be worse than your best move" >A serious problem. > >>>What is more important Tactic Abilities or Positional Knowledgment ??? >>> >>>I think that Hiarcs7 is the most beautiful strong program in all the world. >>> >>>I think that Hiarcs7 in a faster machine could win an important top human >>>tournament. >>> >>>What do you think? >> >>I know that hiarcs7 is a tactical monster. >>It is good at fast time control. > >And slow time controls too! > >>It won Junior5 and Fritz5 at blitz in enrique's tournament. > >And it played and performed in his 40moves/40minutes on P2-400 very well too! > >>I am not impressed by the positional understanding of Hiarcs7. >>It lost some games against Fritz5.32 because of bad positional understanding. > >Oh, in the meantime there are SOME? You always mentioned "but there is ONE game >where Hiarcs lost because of positional lack of knowledge" > >>I hope that junior5 is stronger than Hiarcs7 > >Wishful thinking. :-) >(Because you can't be objective, no problem) >I admit sometimes I am impressed about the way Junior plays dynamically and >starts to create chances and possibilites to get out of a bad position. >At the moment I think Hiarcs7 is the best program concerning results against >humans and programs. MCP and Rebel, maybe the King may be better against humans >but they are weaker against programs. On the other hand there is Fritz and Nimzo >who perform very well against other programs but results against humans are >missing. And my subjective view says the style they play does not as good >against humans as the above mentioned programs. Just my personal opinion, based >on some games I saw. > >>The ssdf tells me that Junior5 lost against Hiarcs7 28.5:11.5 when all the top >>programs did better result against it(for example Hiarcs6-Hiarcs7 on P2000MMX >>20:20). >>I need to see the games to be convinced that the tester really played the games >>and did not invent the results. > >If they don't provide the games you have the choice to a) believe it b) don't >believe it and c) test on your own. > >>Junior5 did clearly better results in public games. >>Uri > >Which games? I am talking about the public ssdf games. Uri
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