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Subject: Re: Get this!!! Little Goliath Gold 2 finds 18 f5 in 15 minutes!!

Author: Jeremiah Penery

Date: 19:47:53 05/05/99

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On May 05, 1999 at 20:42:59, Paul Richards wrote:

>On May 05, 1999 at 19:29:47, Francis Monkman wrote:
>
>>
>>On May 05, 1999 at 18:55:03, Paul Richards wrote:
>>
>>>Strange thing though, as is so often the case, once you supply
>>>the correct move, it sees the continuations immediately at a much
>>>shallower depth. So then why the hell doesn't it see it by 15 ply?
>>>It really does seem as though correspondence analysis would find
>>>these thing faster.  In other words, at 15 ply it doesn't see f5
>>>as best, yet as soon as you supply f5, it sees it winning within
>>>10 or 11 ply.  It doesn't get confused by any drawing chances
>>>either, it easily finds a clear win.
>>
>>Exactly!! I've been noticing this 'phenomenon' for years, had new
>>examples in the last few days. Haven't we all? Is there a fault in the
>>search/pruning algorithm(s)?
>
>There usually seems to be a drawing possibility somewhere in the
>search that throws a monkey wrench into the works.  Crafty 16.6
>does particularly badly with this position.  You can give it several
>moves of the solution and it still doesn't see past drawing
>possibilities.  I would love to see a technical explanation for
>this sort of thing.  These solutions are well within the search
>horizon, but yet they don't get found.  In any case if this sort
>of thing could be addressed effectively the programs would be much
>stronger.

I've noticed that Crafty in particular has trouble with these types of things -
it seems to very much like draws by repetition, even when other lines seem to be
clearly winning.  That it also scores draws after only 2 repetitions in the
search tree [but it's done correctly as 3 reps. of moves actually made] gives it
trouble sometimes, as well.  Properly detecting draws (And when not to draw)
cause the most trouble for Crafty, I think.

Jeremiah



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