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Subject: Re: First Crafty results

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 00:13:20 05/23/99

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On May 22, 1999 at 23:22:04, Jeremiah Penery wrote:

>On May 22, 1999 at 04:34:48, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>
>>On May 21, 1999 at 21:40:57, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>
>>>First, the (famous) game.
>>>
>>>Glucksberg - Najdorf, Warsaw 1935.
>>>
>>>1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c6 4.e3 f5 5.Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Bd6 7.O-O O-O 8.Ne2 Nbd7 9.Ng5
>>>Bxh2+ 10.Kh1 Ng4 11.f4 Qe8 12.g3 Qh5 13.Kg2 Bg1 14.Nxg1 Qh2+ 15.Kf3 e5 16.dxe5
>>>Ndxe5+ 17.fxe5 Nxe5+ 18.Kf4 Ng6+ 19.Kf3 f4 20.exf4 Bg4+ 21.Kxg4 Ne5+ 22.fxe5 h5#
>>>
>>>Now for the questions:
>>>
>>>How long does it take for programs to...
>>>
>>>1) decide to play 15...e5!
>>>
>>>2) assess 15...e5! as about +4 for Black (roughly the score if White had played
>>>21.Ke3 and dropped his queen.  The interpolation of 16.cxd5 cxd5 doesn't
>>>substantially change matters.)
>>>
>>>3) decide to play 13...Bg1! (it's better than ...Bxg3)
>>>
>>>4) assess 13...Bg1! as about +2 for Black (up two pawns).
>>>
>>>Dave
>>
>>I just went for "the big enchilada" and skipped over 1 and 2 for now.  I cleared
>>out position.bin and position.lrn, and set Crafty thinking on Black's 13th move.
>> Here's what I get on my dual PII-300:
>
><snip>
>
>>An hour was long enough, the hash table was probably swamped.  I will try to
>>double it in size to 96M and run it overnight.
>>
>>Dave
>
>Ack! Sorry for the duplicate post - I accidentally submitted before typing. :P
>
>Anyway, the hash table was certainly full by then, but a full hash table doesn't
>seem to hurt Crafty in any noticeable way, like it hurts Fritz, for example.  I
>run with only 12MB hash, even for overnight analyses, and the results are almost
>identical when I run with larger hashes.
>
>Jeremiah

I get the feeling that Fritz doesn't use a good hash table replacement scheme,
period.  Nobody else needs the kind of RAM I hear quoted for Fritz.

Of course, not spending time computing if and how to replace means spending more
time analysing, so if you have the RAM...

Dave



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