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Subject: Re: Does Hiarcs 7.32 play better than Rebel against human?

Author: Harald Faber

Date: 05:16:13 05/25/99

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On May 25, 1999 at 08:00:44, blass uri wrote:

>>>The evaluation function should be changed and my Junior5.4 has a different
>>>evaluation function.
>>
>>Do you believe that changing and not adding would make an improvement?
>
>I am sure about it.
>The evaluation of Junior is based on some numbers in the program and changing
>these numbers can improve Junior.

It simply reminds me on tuning Chessmaster...

>>>Junior clears the hash tables after every move so it cannot learn from previous
>>>search and it is not because of the fact that it is a fast searcher.
>>
>>Whoops. Any reason for that?
>
>I do not know.
>Amir Ban said in the past that it is not important and cannot help much but I
>think that he was wrong.
>I told him ideas to carry information from search to the next search and I think
>that it can help significantly in tactical positions.

That is my opinion too.

>>Fast searching=little knowledge
>
>1)I think that a little knowledge that is correct is better than a lot of
>knowledge that is not correct.

I don't expect ANY of the current programs containing incorrect knowledge.

>2) I am not sure if fast searching =little knowledge
>It can be also some tricks to do the same things faster.

Sure. Think of the (alleged?) 40% speed gain Fritz4->Fritz5.
But I am sure that a program doing 20-30knps has MUCH more knowledge inside than
a program at 200knps.

>>Where do you see improvements? By fine-tuning that little knowledge?
>
>Yes and I am not sure if it is really a little knowledge.

Depends on the definition of LITTLE of course.

>I cannot compare it with other programs because I do not know what is the
>knowledge of other programs.

I see a problem in "counting" knowledge.

>I also think that the fact that you need less time to represent the knowledge of
>Junior (assuming that it is the case and Junior is not faster because of program
>tricks) does not imply that it is a little knowledge.

You are counting beans. ;-)
Do you agree with "much less knowledge than Hiarcs, MCP, King and CSTal? ;-)

>It is possible that Amir Ban is using knowledge that other programmers did not
>think about and this knowledge is more important.

Clear, think of Rebel-Tiger.

>It is possible that by fine-tuning the "little knowledge" of Junior you can get
>better program then by fine-tuning the Knowledge of Hiarcs7 even if both
>programs look at the same number of nodes.

But they don't.
And personally I prefer a program that knows much about chess, e.g. about the
wrong bishop. And I was VERY surprised to find that REBEL doesn't know! One of 2
things that irritate me about Rebel, the other one is king safety. I admit I
find Junior's eval concerning king safety more accurate.

>Uri




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