Author: Harald Faber
Date: 00:30:15 05/28/99
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On May 27, 1999 at 17:59:22, Paulo Soares wrote: >>>>>>Right, I don't know how strong a chess player with ELO1800 is, I just have a >>>>>>guess. I am at 1800DWZ, our best club player has 2000DWZ and an ELO2200. >>>>>>I see a lot in analysis but when this guy starts to play/analyze I am astonished >>>>>>again and again how much more he sees and realizes. >>>>> >>>>>Harald, >>>>> >>>>>It makes the following experience: ask for somebody to choose 5 >>>>>positions, of preference closed, and tries to make the analysis of >>>>>those positions with the aid of some program of which you likes, for >>>>>one hour. After that ask for the best player of his club making the >>>>>analysis of the same positions, in the same time, without using a >>>>>program. I bet with you a beer(man talk that Germany beer is >>>>>excellent), as his analyses will be very better. >>>>>Paulo Soares >>>> >>>>What do you bet? That the program's analysis is better? >>>>Then I can say you already lost, I did it with OPEN (!) positions, see the game >>>>Gambitsoft-Forum vs IM Hans Klarenbeek, game still to go on. >>>>HUMANS (in my club) came up with GOOD, JUSTIFIED and REASONABLE move suggestions >>>>and IDEAS. Programs only had stupid move suggestions (or even worse ideas), e.g. >>>>16.Nf5 and 16.g5 were suggested. 16.g5 might have been a considerable move but >>>>16.Nf5 is not. >>> >>>I think that he does not say that the program's analysis is better but that the >>>analysis of the team of human with 1800 rating + program is better. >>>Uri >> >>It is still wrong. :-) >>It took 1900+ (DWZ) to show the right way(s). Programs+me failed. We had some >>interesting ideas of defence but not for the attack. > >Harald, I have the certainty that you are missed in the considerations numbers >2 and 3 that I made in reply to Robert Yatt: >"2. Which is the experience that has that person in this type of analysis? > Also it is important, and I say on that due to my experience playing > postal chess, assisted for computer, for some years. No correspondence chess but excellent analysis experience. >3. Which the time useed to make the analysis? > Better is much time, and I am speaking of hours." Above it was mentioned " 1 hour". >I win the bet, and I invite you and Uri(because he is helping me) >to drink a good Germany beer! (it's only a joke). A long way for a German beer I can also get here. :-) >Paulo Soares.
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