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Subject: Re: Addition to my "philosophy"/about free e-mail accounts

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 18:23:30 06/07/99

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On June 07, 1999 at 20:38:35, Micheal Cummings wrote:

>
>On June 07, 1999 at 20:07:31, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On June 07, 1999 at 15:25:17, KarinsDad wrote:
>>
>>>On June 07, 1999 at 13:48:49, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 07, 1999 at 11:26:58, KarinsDad wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 07, 1999 at 09:12:24, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On June 07, 1999 at 00:24:45, Harald Faber wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I will make big efforts to no longer allow anonymous e-mail accounts here for a
>>>>>>>new period. Also for existing accounts via hotmail etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Only exception: if someone with this account wants to stay, he has to prove his
>>>>>>>identity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>An unpopular decision, but I think it is correct.  I see _no_ reason for these
>>>>>>anonymous accounts, even though many of them are quite normal people that post
>>>>>>things that are perfectly acceptable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>however, I wouldn't let you into my house with a sack over your head, and I
>>>>>>think that the abuse here is more than enough justification to simply say
>>>>>>"enough".  If someone is afraid of revealing their true ID, then perhaps that
>>>>>>alone is enough reason to be wary of them?
>>>>>
>>>>>By your phrase "revealing their true ID", are you referring to revealing it to
>>>>>Steve, or are you referring to revealing it to everyone?
>>>>>
>>>>>KarinsDad :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_EVERYONE_.  I believe that if you want to post, you have to 'stand in the
>>>>light' to do so.  Otherwise we continue to have the anonymous crap go on and
>>>>without any way of stopping it. _I_ post under my real name.  I put up with a
>>>>lot of crap by doing so (IE Rolf and his band of renegades).  But everyone knows
>>>>who I am, where I live/work, and how to contact me.
>>>>
>>>>Lurkers are 'ok', but they should only be allowed to lurk, and _not_ write,
>>>>without losing the cloak in the process...
>>>
>>>Robert,
>>>
>>>I asked the question since I wanted to determine whether you were responding to
>>>the issue of identification (which does not necessarily mean identification to
>>>everyone) versus the issue of anonymity.
>>>
>>>A system of verifying identity (for Steve) would also allow him to minimize
>>>anonomous users from getting banned, getting a new account, and re-entering (at
>>>least it would make it more difficult, nothing along these lines is yet
>>>impossible).
>>>
>>>However, people coming out into the light is a desire of yours (and others), not
>>>necessarily a requirement of Steve's.
>>>
>>>I would imagine that there are quite a few people here who believe in:
>>>
>>>1) No anonymity from the group (such as yourself) or
>>>2) No anonymity from Steve but anonymity from the group is acceptable (so that
>>>it is easier to keep out the riff raff once they create a major problem) or
>>>3) Anonymity (even from Steve) is acceptable as long as it is not abused.
>>>
>>>However, I doubt you would find many people who want:
>>>
>>>4) A real sounding name for everyone so that they can pretend to know who they
>>>am talking to (even if they really do not know who they are talking to).
>>>
>>>And without some form of identification process, #1 and #2 are not viable. #3 is
>>>the current situation (all you need is an Email address) and #4 is a joke.
>>>
>>>I am quite happy with either #2 or #3. You would be happier with #1.
>>>
>>>However, there are probably some posters right now who are doing #4 and you do
>>>not necessarily know who they are.
>>>
>>>Do they bother you less (since it is not obvious who they are) than I do since
>>>it is obvious that I am not standing out in the light with you? Or do you accept
>>>them at face value (like you might a repairman who comes to your door)?
>>>
>>>KarinsDad :)
>>
>>
>>You should read my previous post on this thread this evening.  We are bringing
>>up blacklist sendmail clients right now.  Which means that if you want to talk
>>to me, from hotmail.com it will be _impossible_ because UAB is going to reject
>>_all_ hotmail.com mail regardless, because they are #1 on all the SPAM lists.
>>
>>Anonymous remailers won't last another 3 years because they are 99% abusers
>>and 1% legit folks.  The 1% has to pay, but that is the way it always is, when
>>you think about it.
>>
>>Note that I was _not_ directly talking about not liking your posts.  You have
>>never been a problem that I have noticed.  And you are one of the ones that
>>will be hurt as this unravels...  But right now, we can't even have a decent
>>election here for all the anonymous crap...
>
>When it comes to spamming, I get spammed from legit emails, I have not once got
>a spam from hotmail, yahoo.


Check carefully.  I'll bet half your spam comes from hotmail, thru a third-party
like UAB.  But it does originate at hotmail _all_ the time...

And we will see these scourges disappear, thankfully...



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