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Subject: Re: Shep Championship 1999 Announcement

Author: Shep

Date: 02:10:46 06/10/99

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On June 09, 1999 at 17:42:03, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote:


>>I will not make a final decision about these issues (Tiger 11.5 in/out, Rebel
>>10a/10d, CM6000/MCP8) until the starting date anyway (this will be sometime
>>during the week starting on June 21st).
>>
>
>I personally think you should include CM6000 regardless of what your match
>between MCP8 and CM6000 reveal. In fact, they probably both belong in your
>tournament. I also feel it isn't right to have the two Chess Tiger programs
>because that isn't fair to the others - except for Chessmaster because your

I want to have the strongest programs in, regardless of how "fair" this seems in
absolute numbers. If the top 5 programs were Rebel 6 to 10, I would have all of
them in. Remember this is not W(M)CCC where - technically - not the programs are
the participants but their programmers, and each programmer may only bring one
program. I've had many tournaments where up to 4 versions of one program
participated.

>version is not comercially available and is your own modification of an older
>CM5500. Chessmaster 6000 is rated quite highly by the SSDF. Is their rating

Actually, "CM 5555" _is_ commercially available, you just have to buy CM 5500
and adjust the personality settings as described on my site.
There are no further modifications beside that.

>system so bad and CM6000 that bad as well? I think a lot of us would like to
>know how CM6000 would do in your tournament regardless if MCP8 wins the
>qualifier. Put them both in and take out one Tiger. You intend to have Rebel 10
>and both Tigers. Isn't Ed Schroeder associated with all of them? Is it right to
>have 3 programs from Ed? I believe the credibility of your tournament will be

"Associated" is a very loose term. In this sense, Chessbase is "associated" with
Junior, Hiarcs, Nimzo, ...
Tiger is the work of Christophe Theron; the fact that he cooperates with Ed and
that Tiger will be some sort of "Rebel add-on" or "engine" does not mean it's
Ed's program now. :)

>hurt some if you don't include CM6000. By the way, you should know I don't own

Let's put it that way: if CM loses the qualifier series against MChess, it has
accumulated enough below-average results that it would not be fair if I still
included it. Because then for the same reason you could ask why Zarkov and
WChess are not in. That's my idea of "fairness": If I have a principle of not
including programs which had suboptimal results in my tests, I make no
exceptions.
The qualifier against MChess is already a courtesy act out of respect for the
opinion of those of you here on CCC who have pressed me to give CM 6000 a second
chance.
If it fails there, there will be no third.

BTW, first game was a draw yesterday.


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Shep




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