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Subject: Re: Nominees.... The Ball Continues to Roll..

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 05:40:38 06/10/99

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On June 10, 1999 at 01:44:48, Will Singleton wrote:

>On June 09, 1999 at 21:43:28, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On June 09, 1999 at 12:41:19, Will Singleton wrote:
>>
>>>On June 09, 1999 at 12:26:21, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 09, 1999 at 00:35:00, Will Singleton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 08, 1999 at 23:26:09, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On June 08, 1999 at 17:37:01, Will Singleton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>When we were elected, we spent a week or so working out a method of moderation.
>>>>>>>After some negotiation, this was eventually written out and agreed to.  Some of
>>>>>>>us may have supported certain items more than others, but the document was
>>>>>>>accepted by all.  And it included the provision to disallow discussions of
>>>>>>>deleted messages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>and _that_ is a problem.  You were _not_ elected to set rules.  You _were_
>>>>>>elected to _enforce_ the existing rules.  And nowhere do the existing rules
>>>>>>say "if you disagree with a moderator's deletion policy, this can not be
>>>>>>discussed herein."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If we want such a rule, I'd think the group could decide that as a whole.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That is why the US Government has a legislative branch separate from the
>>>>>>judicial and executive branches.  Because you can't both write the laws,
>>>>>>interpret them, and then enforce them.  We know what that is called.  And
>>>>>>it is not spelled 'democracy'...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hello Bob,
>>>>>
>>>>>I wrote my election platform after reading the CCC Charter.  The existing rules.
>>>>> I didn't make them up, didn't even interpret.  I suppose you have forgotten the
>>>>>part of the Charter where it says:
>>>>>
>>>>>"You are further agreeing to abide by the decision of the moderators should a
>>>>>post of yours be deleted and/or if you should lose your membership privileges
>>>>>after due consideration of the moderators. You also will be agreeing that the
>>>>>decision of the moderators is final."
>>>>>
>>>>>Hello?  Did you read that part?  Accuse me of making up rules, and being a
>>>>>dictator, do you?  ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yep... because the designated function of a moderator is to remove posts that
>>>>the membership here would consider objectionable.  _not_ to (a) remove posts
>>>>that the moderator considers objectionable; (b) define a rule that says that
>>>>moderator decisions can _not_ be discussed.
>>>>
>>>>I have no problem reading at all.  Nor in understanding.  The moderators (you)
>>>>work for _us_.  Not the other way around.  Get the distinction?  we elected you
>>>>to enforce _our_ intentions to not allow personal attacks.  We did _not_ elect
>>>>you to start defining _other_ topics that are not permissable.
>>>>
>>>>Simple, really.  You were out of control.  I and others were not happy about
>>>>it.  We voiced our opinion.  You deleted those as well.  That is _not_
>>>>acceptable nor is it what I voted for you to do.  In any form.  And I _did_
>>>>vote for the three that were elected plus others last election...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Cmon, Bob, it's pretty clear.  How can anyone come up with a different
>>>>>interpretation after reading that?  If you want to change the Charter, fine, but
>>>>>don't accuse me of making it up out of thin air.
>>>>>
>>>>>Will
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Where do you see in the charter that a moderator can define topics that are
>>>>not allowed?  The charter attempts to stop personal attacks _only_.  Not
>>>>discussions about message board policy...  that is what you tried to stifle,
>>>>and you were wrong.
>>>>
>>>>And again, we 'hired' you to enforce the 'law', not to make it, not to interpret
>>>>it.  But with your interpretation, you could delete every post here, and we
>>>>don't get to question that?  I don't think so...
>>>
>>>
>>>Not only do I disagree, but I fail to understand you at all.  Nothing new about
>>>that.
>>>
>>>Will
>>
>>
>>This would have been a good post to delete.  No content of any kind.  I don't
>>see what you don't understand.  Your stance on "no discussion of moderation
>>decisions" is not supported by the CCC charter, nor by the communications
>>between the 'founders', nor by popular support within the group.  So where did
>>this decision come from, and how is it 'justified'?
>>
>>Do you think we gave you a license to do whatever you feel like?  Doesn't that
>>sound like what the "SS" guys did in 1940's Germany?  We only want the current
>>rules enforced.  Not 'new' rules made...
>>
>>at least, speaking for myself...
>
>
>Troll away, Bob.


Ditto, Will...

And you don't think we have a moderator problem?




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