Author: Peter Hegger
Date: 14:20:01 06/11/99
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On June 11, 1999 at 11:47:27, KarinsDad wrote: >On June 10, 1999 at 20:11:32, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On June 10, 1999 at 19:46:25, Dave Gomboc wrote: >>[snip] >>>Ng1 isn't an inferior move if neither player can win and they both seek the >>>shortest draw, which is precisely the condition I was describing. Then it >>>deserves a double exclam. >>Is it legal to offer a draw before any move has been made? Or after 1. d4 or >>something? In such a case, I propose that as the shortest draw. >>[snip] > >Darn, I pulled myself back into this discussion (I hate when I do that :) ). > >First I will address Dann's comment: > >I think the FIDE rules indirectly imply that a move must be made (although >Miles/Reuben got away with a draw with no moves in 1975), depending on >interpretation: "The game is drawn upon agreement between the two players during >the game. This immediately ends the game". Since this says "during the game", it >implies that the game is actually being played (or one move has been made???). A game can begin without a move being played. As long as the clock has been started it is a game in progress. Many people have actually lost games (time forfiets) without having ever made a move. Regards Peter For computer chess, the game normally does not start until a move is made >(although I do not know how this is handled in the WCCC for if one computer is >down after start time or something). > >Next I will address Dave's comment: > >"Ng1 isn't an inferior move if neither player can win and they both seek the >shortest draw, which is precisely the condition I was describing. Then it >deserves a double exclam." > >1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Ng1 may be a drawn position. If it is, it may be that black will >play Ng8 in an attempt to draw. However, since Ng1 gives black two tempi, it is >more likely that it a winning position for black than the original starting >position is a winning position for white (i.e. two tempi vs. one tempi). >Therefore, there is a more substantial chance that black has a forced win after >Ng1. If this is the case, then white should not play Ng1. > >If at best black has a forced draw after Ng1, then Ng8 could lead to a fast draw >as you claim. However, you also stated that maybe minimum draws are not >necessarily best (your opponent has less of a chance of making a mistake). A >more complicated or slower draw may be best. So, regardless of whether Ng1 leads >to a win for black or a draw for black, Ng1 should not be moved since it lowers >the chances of your opponent making a mistake (by trying to minimize the number >of moves of a draw AND by giving your opponent two tempi). Some different >drawing move that does not lead to a possible win for black or leads to a slower >or more complicated draw should be made. > >KarinsDad :) > >PS. I think I got you with my logic this time Dave, but I'm sure you'll think of >a way to squirm out of it. :) > >PSS. I guess you have convinced me that the minimal draw move may not be best >(with the caveat that it may be best in time pressure).
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