Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 18:45:40 06/17/99
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On June 17, 1999 at 15:40:16, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On June 17, 1999 at 06:20:25, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >>On June 16, 1999 at 17:18:46, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>One real problem was that an initial contact with the ICCA said that it was >>>necessary for the _author_ to be present. Which means I couldn't send anyone >>>else as I have in the past. But then it seems that this rule was relaxed after >>>the fact. Had I known, Crafty would definitely have been there... >> >>Are you sure that this is true? I would like you to confirm this because this >>may have some bearing upon my actions during the rest of the tournament. >> >>bruce > > >I am certain. In fact, Early on I wrote an email to at least Tony and maybe >David explaining this... And got a reply back with the "we are sorry..." >etc stuff... And I didn't think a bit more about it because they did say that >the rules required that a programmer be present. However it does seem that that >was relaxed... I will see if I can find the email correspondence in the pine >files here... Ok... here is part of the story. First, I received this from the ICCA in the official announcement of the tournament. This came via email and I'll include the header for date information. I am including rule 1, which is the one that caught my eye, and which is _far_ different from the wording for the WMCCC events: ===================================included text============================= From 9wccc-owner@cs.ualberta.ca Wed Dec 23 00:53:07 1998 Return-Path: <9wccc-owner@cs.ualberta.ca> Received: from scapa.cs.ualberta.ca by cis.uab.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA19693; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:53:06 -0600 Received: from localhost (user: 'tony' uid#181 fake: tony@sundog) by scapa.cs.ualberta.ca id <13611-20807>; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:52:04 -0700 Subject: 9th World Computer Chess Championship From: tony@cs.ualberta.ca To: 9wccc@cs.ualberta.ca Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:52:01 -0700 (MST) Organization: University of Alberta Phone: (403) 492-3971 Fax: (403) 492-1071 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19981223065235Z13611-20807+1@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> Content-Length: 18961 Status: RO TOURNAMENT RULES FOR THE 9th WORLD COMPUTER-CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP Paderborn, Germany 14-20 June 1999 The Board of ICCA Below the Board of ICCA provides information on the tournament rules and a provisional tournament schedule. For convenience, the times of the Advances in Computer Chess 9 Conference are included in the provisional schedule too. 1. Each entry is a computing system and one or more humans who programmed it. At least one of the program developers must attend the championship to operate the program. At least 50% of the entering developers, and all developers attending the event, must be ICCA members in good standing. No exceptions will be made to this rule. ===========================end included text=============================== Ok, when I saw that, I sent the following, which due to my experimenting with an experimental mail tool, resulted in this being sent to _everybody_ on the ICCA announcement list... =============================begin included text============================ From hyatt@cis.uab.edu Thu Feb 25 11:02:32 1999 Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:02:31 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert M. Hyatt" <hyatt@cis.uab.edu> X-Sender: hyatt@crafty To: tony@cs.ualberta.ca cc: 9wccc@cs.ualberta.ca Subject: Re: 1 March 1999 In-Reply-To: <19990225163423Z13341-25655+189@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990225110120.3467B-100000@crafty> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hi Tony... I don't see a way for "crafty" to make it... As I had mentioned, international travel is very expensive, and difficult to get approval for in todays restricted education spending environment. I had originally thought about trying to find someone to operate Crafty, but that seems to be contrary to the ICCA rules anyway. Bob ===============================end included text=========================== I think every participant saw that as my reply went to everybody, including the icca participant list. The ICCA _never_ suggested that "Hey Bob, if you can enter crafty and get someone to operate for you, that will be fine with us." The above rule seems _perfectly clear_ to me. I thought of three people that "might" qualify. Jason Deines has written some code for crafty, as has Mike Byrne. Jason is in Grad school and Mike was involved in a new job. Eugene would (IMHO) also qualify since I am using his probe code and the asm stuff he wrote a long while back. However Eugene also has a full-time job at Microsoft and I didn't consider it apprpriate to put him on the spot by asking either. So after the above simple statement, that was all I heard. Of course, I later found out that exceptions had been made, but sometimes things don't go the way I'd like. And I didn't give it a lot of further thought until the WCCC started and it became apparent that exceptions _had_ been made. I don't think Crafty deserves special consideration of course. But 'equal consideration' would be nice... :( Bob
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